Unlimited
Senator / Pacific Surveyor of Foreign Threat
Vanguard of the Pacific Revolution
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Post by Unlimited on Jan 13, 2004 20:49:06 GMT -5
I believe democracy is right for us, and I would fight before I had it taken away from me. However, I do not believe that makes it right for everyone.
It was like America and the SU during the 50/60/70/80's. Each believed their form of system was best and thought that made it best for everyone, they didn't consider that not everyone wanted to live that way.
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Post by BertramStantrous on Jan 13, 2004 21:03:40 GMT -5
By "SU," you mean the USSR (or possibly the CCCP), right? Because I personally think that the Syrian Union has been getting a little too big for its britches.
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Unlimited
Senator / Pacific Surveyor of Foreign Threat
Vanguard of the Pacific Revolution
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Post by Unlimited on Jan 13, 2004 21:05:56 GMT -5
thats the most I've laughed at a post for a long, long time. Hmmmm, laughing at political humer? I really need help....
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Post by BertramStantrous on Jan 13, 2004 21:08:39 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just really, really funny. Did you ever think of that? See, watch this:
Boner.
Get it? It's funny!
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Post by Tar A on Jan 13, 2004 21:10:29 GMT -5
Yeah, so funny, it's unbelievably stupid...
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Unlimited
Senator / Pacific Surveyor of Foreign Threat
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Post by Unlimited on Jan 13, 2004 21:11:05 GMT -5
eh.....yeh....mabye....
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Post by BertramStantrous on Jan 13, 2004 21:12:11 GMT -5
Picture this:
A midget getting punched in the nuts.
Funny, right?
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Post by Tar A on Jan 13, 2004 21:12:54 GMT -5
You know what would be really funny, is if you fell down and died. Right there.
Now that would be halarious.
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Post by stromglave on Jan 16, 2004 7:25:13 GMT -5
You know what would be really funny, is if you fell down and died. Right there. Now that would be halarious. hahahahahahahaha
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Post by Tar A on Jan 16, 2004 13:25:26 GMT -5
Er, I wasn't talking to you, but I guess the same could apply
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TBAN
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Post by TBAN on Jan 16, 2004 16:18:28 GMT -5
I have a question for you Unlimited and I am being serious here not being a wise a$$. You don't believe that freedom is the best for everybody? Granted Russia has been having growing pains but so did the US in fact slighty less than 100 years after our country was established we had a little thing called the civil war.
Freedom comes over the long haul. If you have lived under a dictatorial system it is hard to learn to decide for yourself. You don't have much experience at it.
Look at the USA now 200 years plus tears later we are willing to die rather than have someone take away what we have.
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Jan 16, 2004 17:53:09 GMT -5
Not at all, I welcome any challenge to my point of view, as long as it is reasonable, it is the only way we learn.
At no point did I say freedom wasn't for everybody, obviously anarchy is the ideal system (although un-workable) as it allows everybody absolute freedom. However, democracy (not sure you could call Russia a democracy yet) does not always mean freedom, same as dictatorship does not always mean oppression. I throw Dubai in as an example of a well functioning, free, dictatorship.
Furthermore, in the USA, if nobody stands up to the administration, you may find that you have lost many of the freedoms you once held so dear. I know in the UK they just tried to pass a bill which would have given the government the unquestionable right to break up demonstrations and hasstle opposition to them, luckily sanity prevailed, but there is still a danger.
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Post by TBAN on Jan 16, 2004 20:29:55 GMT -5
Sorry unlimted guess I misunderstood you.
Well Russia is not a democracy, of course neither is the USA. The US is a represenative republic. I agree and the US is heading in the direction of loosing its freedom not to an outside force but to the government it self. Much of the Homeland Security Act suspends freedoms we have enjoyed in the US. Of course the same thing happenes when ever a war is on going. Mind you I don't agree with a great deal of what has occured since 9-11 in this area. We can always protest if we are unhappy about things which dose happen here. If you think they don't work look at the Vietnam War and what effect the protest had, it took time but it may have dragged on much longer if there had been no protest.
Most dictatorship are run well. The alternative is to stop breathing.
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Jan 16, 2004 20:42:07 GMT -5
Well, I guess we are basically in agreement then, although what I meant by Dubai being "well run", is that it is a very good example of a dictatorship which has worked out, arguably, better than our so-called "democracies".
I don't think Vietnam would have lasted all that much longer, it was costing so much, both in hard cash and lives that they couldn't afford to stay in all that much longer, no matter how much hatred there was for communists (there's political freedom for you, freedom as long as you agree with us).
The anti-war protests last April around the world were the largest ever seen, but it made no change to the governments, other than an increase in deceit and trickery. I think this shows what our government think of us. Bear in mind that after the Bush administration had put their spin on it, about 80% of Americans thought Iraq was directly involved in 9/11!
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Post by TBAN on Jan 16, 2004 20:55:55 GMT -5
Well nobody has ever accused the public in the USA of paying a great deal of attention to the truth have they now Yes governments lie to the populas all the time. I only believe about 25% of what comes out of Washington. The US has no one to blame but themselves for it. Who likes well run goverments anyway. If the US was well run things would be twice as bad off as it is now.
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