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Post by Pierconium on Aug 11, 2004 4:53:10 GMT -5
The Pacific is now allied to New Sparrow as well.
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 11, 2004 6:29:28 GMT -5
If your idea of "intervening" is defending those you believe to be your allies, I believe "intervention" isn't quite the right term, frankly. To me, intervention is usually going some place where you are not welcome, or where you would not usually go. Defending your allies, is well, that, defending your allies. Here again is the difference in interpretation. I'm glad we're getting a lexicon finally so we can all understand one another. We find Intervention appropriate as we are not defending ourselves, we are intervening in a situation when requested. We find the term defend used out of context quite a bit in our view. We're assisting not defending our views any more than New Sparrow or the USSR or the Entente forces were theirs when they lent assistance during CG's latest escapade. |
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Post by Argyres on Aug 15, 2004 16:08:50 GMT -5
Having returned from a rather boring and wasteful vacation, I'm now back to conduct what business I can (the extortion and blackmail will remain under the table though, naturally).
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 15, 2004 16:16:06 GMT -5
*snort*
Need a vacation from the vacation I see.
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Post by Argyres on Aug 15, 2004 16:17:25 GMT -5
The life I lead is a hard one, Comrade, and not for everyone.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Aug 15, 2004 17:42:53 GMT -5
Sounds like a recruiting slogan!  |
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Post by Cortath on Aug 15, 2004 18:18:54 GMT -5
*chuckles*
How about 'dem Olympics?
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Post by Sir Paul on Aug 16, 2004 19:47:14 GMT -5
The US lost 1st round basketball.... BASKETBALL!
Bah.
How 'bout that, um...local sport franchise?
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Aug 16, 2004 20:29:01 GMT -5
You know what's worse? Our damn baseball team didn't even qualify to make the Olympics.
I have to agree with Herb Brooks (the famous US Hockey coach in 1980) who assessed the fact that "Dream Teams" will always lose to a unified team...too many egos and I think the US Basketball team thinks it is simply owed the gold medal. They deserve to get crushed. When they work as hard as the Puerto Rican or Croatian teams do, then they can take the medal. They are a disgrace to sports, in my opinion. My team in Warrior Thorin could beat them, but alas I have but a hockey team.
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 17, 2004 1:14:29 GMT -5
it was truly pitiful if you ask me.
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Post by Cortath on Aug 17, 2004 4:56:37 GMT -5
Moving on however...
I believe the Senator from Black Adder requested to negotiate with the Senators from Argyres and Cortath.
We are here.
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 17, 2004 5:24:16 GMT -5
We have radically different views of responsibilites of the member states towards the Organization, Meritocracy in your case and the NPO in ours. Given the way your organization is set up with relatively little to no accountability to the head of the organization with regards to members states actions outside the Meritocracy how do you see an agreement which could be penned giving us some assurance that we will not have a repeat of what just occurred?
Several high ranking Members of the Meritocracy were involved in the direct attack against us. The current agreement for justified war does not protect anyone. The argument is put forward that this is an article to define practises. Very well. We can expect the same protection and defence if we are to pursue action for the ADN interference in the North Pacific as the Rogues have for their attack on us? This is a question to help me with frame of mind, not to open wounds.
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 17, 2004 5:44:19 GMT -5
One often unconsidered side of the accountability story, is though the Meritocratic government may not hold it's member states accountable for outside acts, other organizations could do so without pause. Just because we say we aren't accountable doesn't make it so. I for one sent my UN nation to help Unlimited, in opposition against other Senators... it's a tricky situation, accountability.
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 17, 2004 6:30:47 GMT -5
Besides the point I'm making but to pursue what you brought up- We have a Consul actively intervening here supporting an Invasion which is difficult to justify as a 'defensive' measure and a treaty which gives definitions for justified war. The Consul acting away from the stated position of the Met we understand. What we don't understand is why this treaty was signed without any ability to enforce it besides being a guideline for procedure.
It was not being sold as a guideline, it was being sold as a treaty regulating actions. I'd like this defined, it gives us a glimpse at intent and frame of mind.
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Post by LadyRebels on Aug 17, 2004 7:33:27 GMT -5
Ok just a thought, this will certainly be interesting to watch....
But TM has no UN Nations in it, the UN nations are seperate enities outside the rule of TM, unless they are part of the Legions, then they are held accountable. To the Senate as a whole, from what I understand.
As I said this will certainly be interesting to watch as it unfolds.
I am posting this outside of any offical capacity, that and I do not have an offical status in TM other than as a Senatrix of such.
Please keep that in mind when I post here.
Thank you.
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