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Post by Kandarin on Jul 23, 2004 15:10:34 GMT -5
I do.
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Post by Capitollium on Jul 25, 2004 14:16:00 GMT -5
The executive capabilities of the ADN are, I shall reiterate, of no concern to this embassy. Great Bight of the North Pacific has questioned whether his disdain for all things ADN is surpassed by my own. Please keep discussion about the ADN, unless it is inexorably related to Meritocratic affairs, out of this embassy.
More importantly, I am surprised that the NPO is not proposing changes to the AMC Convention. The Meritocracy is flexible in this regard, and does not want to feed you a stringent document. I hope that you are fully aware this embassy is committed to reaching common ground, and the Convention is merely based on past experience of our agreement with the (I'll say it once...) ADN.
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Post by Black Adder on Jul 25, 2004 18:41:51 GMT -5
Understood Capitollium. Let me first say I am heartened the Meritocracy wishes to extend its relations further with us via treaties. I understand it is an organic offering and most likely will change.
The process will be a long one as our resources are taxed presently with other committments. Don't take silence as disregard or a general lack of interest. If we are to engage in discussing this with the merit it deserves we must make the proper time to do so. Presently time is a very precious commodity.
I realize also the ADN references may be frustrating but most of what we hear from the Met are the very vocal ADN factions. We will make a clear attempt to seperate the two ideas in the future.
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Post by SardaASSK on Jul 26, 2004 4:23:19 GMT -5
That is of course a symptom of the Meritocracy's leadership largely consisting of pro-ADN nations, and often they're nations that maintain membership in the ADN. It's unfortunate that these are aong the most vocal nations, but they hardly represent the Senate in it's entirety.
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Post by Argyres on Jul 26, 2004 6:30:20 GMT -5
Unistrut, who I talk to personally on a daily basis would not be considered pro-ADN, nor would Eli who has no dealings with them. Dorado I'm not sure, but that's because he's not vocal. If you consider the tribune also part of the cabinet, then you have another that is not.
So bascially you have two out of five cabinet members who are 'vocal' ADN proponents (Old Lutheran and Aesculapius) at best. Only Aesculapius voted against the alliance with the ADN, so clearly he's not 100% sold on them.
If you look at the deputies, you'll find that I am (as a Meritocratic Senator) ambivalent, and Wolfsreich is most definitely not supportive. Puppet States, to my knowledge, has never vocally stated support, and Glasguensis has urged neutrality, not support for the ADN. At best, you have one deputy (Cortath/Blackbird), but even he has expressed reservations.
Basically, Sarda, I think you exaggerate the issue of ADN influence in the leadership. Perhaps if you spent more time participating in the Senate and interacting with your colleagues, instead of spending it here, criticizing them in their own embassy, you would understand that.
In any case, I would appreciate it if you stopped interfering with the Senator from Capitolllium's presentation of the document on Justified War, as that is the purpose of this Embassy.
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Post by Cortath on Jul 26, 2004 18:58:46 GMT -5
For the record, I abstained on the ADMA Treaty.
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Post by SardaASSK on Jul 26, 2004 23:56:12 GMT -5
Pardon me Argyres, I meant to specifically refer to past administrations. You, Jasque, Unistrut.
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Post by Argyres on Jul 27, 2004 6:15:07 GMT -5
Again, how was my administration ADN-influenced? I did not put the ADN-Meritocratic Alliance to vote to avoid possibly getting us involved in a war (ADN-Entente), I voted for Unlimited in his last citizenship attempt, and I endeavoured to keep this embassy civil and productive. Any of the NPO members who I talk with (some on a regular basis) can tell you that as Consul I was always open to discussing things, and that even now I am open-minded and willing to hear things out. Again, if you have anything of real substance to add to this embassy, then please do. However, if you are simply going to blather on in your uniquely sycophantic manner (props to BA for the spelling  ) and/or criticize the Senate and/or Senate-related matters, I suggest you take a break from the ALSO forum and air out your concerns on the Meritocratic forum, where such comments belong. --- Anyway, I leave the floor to the Senator from Capitollium, who will be running the show for two weeks as I will be on vacation, hunting crocodiles in Australia  |
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Post by SardaASSK on Jul 27, 2004 8:45:06 GMT -5
Stinky ol' Greek person  I never said that your administration though with a vaguely pro-ADN stint, was not open minded  Do the two represent opposites in your mind than?  Also I would recommend refraining from personal slander. *shakes fist suggestively* EDIT: I'm pleased that you watch me so closely and know of my dealings at the ALSO! And for the record, I haven't come forward at the Senate with my statements because they are irrelevant to my service there I'm not criticizing it in anyway, merely stating that some of our leaders in the past have been pro-ADN... nothing more than that. |
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Post by Black Adder on Jul 27, 2004 9:05:13 GMT -5
Stinky ol' Greek person Is this a new Meritocratic Rank or office? In all seriousness despite the entertainment value perhaps it would be more becoming to take this outside Gents. |
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Post by ConservativeFront on Jul 27, 2004 16:47:18 GMT -5
Sarda, I positive that our current leader is on a Pro-ADN stint.....
Shameful really, and I was stuck in the middle of it.
Damn you Unistrut!
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Post by SardaASSK on Jul 28, 2004 4:21:15 GMT -5
BA: I know, lol, but Argyres and I have a love/racist-hate/racist relationship An occassional gag about lineage... CF: Unistrut is a little towards the right on that one, lol No arguments there Back to BA: Yes, this is irrelevant to the purpose of this thread... but... nah, you're right. Sorry folks! |
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Post by Capitollium on Jul 28, 2004 4:44:15 GMT -5
I am pleased the NPO shall consider the offer and understand the timeliness your preoccupations.
Your seperation of "vocal ADN factions" within the Meritocracy from those who wish to pursue objective relations is appreciated. It is my hope that perhaps some members of our own Senate come to the mature decision that you have. By no means should the NPO heed the chatter of a very loud and VERY ANNOYING minority within our Senate.
That last comment is directed to those who are using this as a conversational thread. Get a room.
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Post by RedCommunist on Jul 28, 2004 10:24:46 GMT -5
Sarda I thought you were kicked out of the ADN?
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Post by SardaASSK on Jul 29, 2004 1:20:51 GMT -5
Yes they did, because I gave intelligence to the Meritocracy, an ally at the time... and now a practice that occurs almost daily.
And Cap: VERY LOUD and ANNOYING? All I said was that the three consuls of late have been among the most vocal senators of the Senate, and have been at least in some way pro-ADN. THAT IS ALL I'VE SAID IN THIS THREAD!
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) and/or criticize the Senate and/or Senate-related matters, I suggest you take a break from the ALSO forum and air out your concerns on the Meritocratic forum, where such comments belong.
Do the two represent opposites in your mind than? 
