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Post by Black Adder on Jan 9, 2004 13:49:32 GMT -5
You too ;D No, but after reading your post on the South Pacific boards, I didn't know what to make of you. A diplomat in a very sticky situation angel
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Post by Brezhnev on Jan 9, 2004 15:44:59 GMT -5
*is quite confused* From what I gather we were supposed to help the South Pacific against the Savage Lands, who was really working for us . Could someone please fill me in on what happened?
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Post by Abysseria on Jan 10, 2004 13:24:14 GMT -5
Long story short:
Savage sells out his soul at some time in the past for power like so many noble minded people gone sour.
He attempts to conquer two regions for us. We came to the defense of the south pacific b/c we, at the time, did not know that Savage had turned traitor.
Now, most of us wait to see if we're to trust him.
He's Benedict Arnold to me. Thanks for helping, boss, but no respect here!
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Post by Mars Sara on Jan 11, 2004 12:51:19 GMT -5
Yes, but if we let people who aren't truly affiliated with us do things in the name of the NPO, we will be grandly screwed. This may become our new problem now that our enemies have discovered we can't be dislodged by their working against us.
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Post by Abysseria on Jan 11, 2004 14:17:02 GMT -5
That's an interesting notion. At this point in time, it was an overt hostile act - at least according to the news I've seen on the other boards!
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Post by Black Adder on Jan 12, 2004 2:19:52 GMT -5
Whatever the case our foray into outside diplomacy is effectively over with this latest sojourn. For those of you worried about your aid to the SP destroying Savage's chances for capturing the SP you didn't. The SP is in the hands of some very capable hands logistically and communications wise, he didn't have a chance. I'm going to be backing away from things for awhile. Thanks for those of you who heeded the call however erroneous it was for me to raise it.
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Post by Abysseria on Jan 12, 2004 9:02:34 GMT -5
I'll keep an eye on this thread, should things change, but thanks for the head's up, Adder.
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Post by Myrulesia 2 on Jan 13, 2004 7:40:11 GMT -5
A diplomat in a very sticky situation angel yes it is a sticky like a double head sword whatever way you fall you get hurt, I am still here to open a dialogue if that is what you wish. my region still wants me here so here i am make of it as you will
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Post by Myrulesia 2 on Jan 13, 2004 7:47:57 GMT -5
a cameleon change's his colours many times to protect itself but a leopard will never change its spots.
SLR traded his own region for what he wanted you are wise not to trust him yet
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Post by Abysseria on Jan 13, 2004 8:52:52 GMT -5
I'm not so sure any of us trust him as far as we could throw him.
Especially given that he hasn't proven his allegiance here through active support and posting.
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Post by Tar A on Jan 13, 2004 12:28:54 GMT -5
He has nothing to prove, no reason to have our trust, he doesn't even want it.
His only help to the NPO was his bid for the West and South Pacifics, RL has him busy now and, he could care less what everyone thinks of him.
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Post by Bushs Brain on Jan 13, 2004 13:10:51 GMT -5
Not to defend SLR, but you people are dopes
SLR was an NPO agent from the start. How couldn't he have been? All that stuff he spouted, morality, rights, whatever - if he believed any of that why would he suddenly turn?
It took lots of work, coordiation, dedication to the NPO to stay under deep cover AND take a leading role in the anti-NPO movement. If you actually believe in the NPO, you'd be praising him.
AND Francos himself was helping him with that last effort - are you saying you don't trust FS now?!!
The only thing that I find troubling about the matter is what they used in their spam - that racist thing bothers me because it is too connected to RL. Already there are more Nazi/skinhead/racists moving into NS, loudly, and I think SLR/FS may have helped that
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Post by Black Adder on Jan 13, 2004 14:22:47 GMT -5
Not to defend SLR, but you people are dopes SLR was an NPO agent from the start. How couldn't he have been? All that stuff he spouted, morality, rights, whatever - if he believed any of that why would he suddenly turn? It took lots of work, coordiation, dedication to the NPO to stay under deep cover AND take a leading role in the anti-NPO movement. If you actually believe in the NPO, you'd be praising him. Bollocks. Savage is an opportunist. You're mental to think otherwise. This whole thing was more likely spur of the moment than planned. Savage is a power hungry whore who'd sell his soul to get it. Obviously you weren't here for his first stint as delegate.
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Post by Lactating Nuns on Jan 13, 2004 14:23:53 GMT -5
I admit I'm pretty new to this, but it seems to me the explanation that SLR is a power hungry nation with no allegiance to anyone but himself is the best one.
SLR could have been just after power, in whatever form it took. He saw there was potential to attract followers on an anti-NPO platform, so he used anti-NPO propoganda to take command in the FPA.
His true allegiance being only to himself, he brokered a back-room deal with FS after he had already consolidated power as head of the FPA, presumably to gain favor with Francos, and to gain delegacy of one of the Pacifics.
As for SLR saying he's been with NPO since early December, it's in his interest to make this look as pre-meditated as possible, to dampen the perception that he's a traitor, as opposed to a highly undercover operative.
I'd like to hear a statement from Francos Spain on the whole thing, or at least someone official in the NPO. I'd like to hear them rebutt the criticism that this appears to be a power grab for the South Pacific by the NPO.
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Post by Bushs Brain on Jan 13, 2004 14:40:00 GMT -5
No, I wasn't here to see Savage as Delegate - I've heard he was a tyrant. I also hear that FS and Co are tyrants. Who do I believe?
No offense, BA, but either you are lying now, or were lied to about SLR. Either way you don't have accurate info and I really can't take anything you say entirely seriously.
Case in point; you are saying that FS just jumped on the chance that SLR was joining the NPO? That makes no sense. If FS didn't trust SLR one hundred percent he wouldn't have used his own puppet Fsend to help in that spam.
Sure SLR is power hungry (or jsut enjoys a good game) but that doesn't make give him mystic powers over FS. Francos Spain trusted him enought to directly help him.
Nuns is right, though - we need a statement from FS. I can't say it will be anything but propaganda - but that is because what can he say at this point that wouldn't hurt him and the NPO?
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