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Jan 5, 2004 11:17:43 GMT -5
Post by Warrior Thorin on Jan 5, 2004 11:17:43 GMT -5
The PA has constantly sworn to institute democratic government and free speech. When the tables are turned and they are in danger of losing power it becomes acceptable to employ all avenues to retain power. It is their right but the contradiction is sickening, particularily when one is forced to listen to the non stop soap box rantings about how it is wrong. Black Adder, you are so right about this. I think the recent rift between Savagelands and the RRA proves this point. I firmly believe that there are people who can use their power wisely and some people who seek power simply for the thrill of it. The NPO seems to use its power wisely, whereas the subverting organizations are in a constant state of flux.
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Jan 5, 2004 16:30:13 GMT -5
Post by Sir Paul on Jan 5, 2004 16:30:13 GMT -5
The motto of the pacific (strength, peace, prosperity) are ideals. The USA promises Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happieness, but they execute people. How can the government take this unallianable right? The fact is that the Pacific and the NPO do their best to uphold these ideals, and we continue to strive forward to make a more perfect region, despite human nature. And not only that, Adder, but other regions have begun reaching out to the Pacific as a model government - a way to bring stability and order to a turbulent region. Our dream of the NPO Internationale is coming true! I move that we create an expeditionary force so that the ideal of strength can be properly defended. Several nations have posted in this forum asking for the aid of the NPO. Having an army would allow the NPO to prevent incidents like Monte Carlo from happening, and would show the world that the NPO can be called to protect regions overrun by power-hungry barbarians.
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Post by Abysseria on Jan 6, 2004 8:20:57 GMT -5
I've made that suggestion before, sirpaul, but it was not met kindly by the government. Have you heard differently?
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Jan 6, 2004 14:14:16 GMT -5
Post by Sir Paul on Jan 6, 2004 14:14:16 GMT -5
I'm not a senator, and am not privy to the inner workings of the government.
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Jan 6, 2004 15:02:32 GMT -5
Post by Regmagen on Jan 6, 2004 15:02:32 GMT -5
The irony of this is that Sirpaul's post resembles the beginnings of the PA
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Jan 6, 2004 15:42:47 GMT -5
Post by Warrior Thorin on Jan 6, 2004 15:42:47 GMT -5
The irony of this is that Sirpaul's post resembles the beginnings of the PA The difference, however, is that the vision is much clearer than the PA's. Having an Army backed by the NPO would insure that commanders were of the highest character and maturity and that the soldiers were committed to the government and not just mere individual glory. The PA and the RRA are comprised of varying degrees of mature and intelligent players who may be committed to their cause or may be committed to individual glory. An Army of back by NPO ideals would, in my opinion, be quite formidable.
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Jan 6, 2004 16:06:18 GMT -5
Post by Regmagen on Jan 6, 2004 16:06:18 GMT -5
The vision is the same. An army defending the ideals of the Pacific, the difference is in the backing. There's varying maturity on both sides.
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Jan 6, 2004 16:12:32 GMT -5
Post by Abysseria on Jan 6, 2004 16:12:32 GMT -5
Before any sort of group like that be created, we ought to determine its role.
Agressive or Defensive? Does it respond to pleas for help, or is it an initiating group Do we even have enough UN nations to use in such a body?
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Post by Sir Paul on Jan 7, 2004 0:20:08 GMT -5
Several members of the NPO (unlimited, Sir Paul, etc) are not UN nations. We could set up UN puppets to start the expeditionary force, and then in times of need, regular pacificans would be called forth to defend the pacific. The army would be used mainly as a defensive force, and would be used when asked, like when werkmarkt (sp) asked for help. The Senators would decide if help should be given, and what role the the pacific would play in a post-war government. This would be a way to expand NPO influence, and encourage other regions to join in leauge with us, and thus recieve our protection.
I personally believe it to be against the ideals of the NPO to initiate force in any circumstance. The abitrary invation of regions just for glory and power is something that I believe this government does not stand for. That's partly why (I think, anyways) we have not crushed the PA by taking over their regions and destroying their infrastructure. But, if an independent region is attacked by AA, and they call to us for help, I believe we should help them.
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Post by Abysseria on Jan 7, 2004 8:42:16 GMT -5
That's an interesting notion, sir paul. I'm not sure what to make of it, yet, given that the senate has been against such formations in the past....
I suppose we should wait to hear from them?
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Jan 11, 2004 12:13:03 GMT -5
Post by Mars Sara on Jan 11, 2004 12:13:03 GMT -5
While I'm still not sure if such a force would be a good idea in pratice, the theory of it intrigues me. But, if any action is to be taken it must be thoroughly thought out. We cannot simply assemble a group and then give them ideals and tasks to carry out, we must establish every aspect of such a force beforehand and select people who best fit it. And I agree that the Pacific should not take offensive action, but should come to the aid of those in need and leave those who do not threaten us (including the horrendously organized PA, RRA, etc).
I think the best way to ensure that such a structure does not end up like the PA is to have it act as a militia; only call together its members when the government has firmly decided that they are needed, and disband them after each action.
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Jan 11, 2004 12:54:28 GMT -5
Post by Unlimited on Jan 11, 2004 12:54:28 GMT -5
The trouble with such a force would be that it would leave the pacific weakened, and thus open to invasion. Don't forget, this is the way TheDoc's pacific fell, too many supporters moving away to invade, rape and pillage.
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Jan 11, 2004 14:10:33 GMT -5
Post by Abysseria on Jan 11, 2004 14:10:33 GMT -5
I agree with Unlimited in that argument. I think it might be wiser to establish a small unit, not an army by any means, but a "special forces" unit designed to endorse the delegates of regions and spread the good word of the NPO. We would win far more converts and supporters through such a way than we would by invading or defending hot spots. After assisting that delegate and strengthening its ties to the NPO, the unit returns to the NPO or travels to another region decided on by the Senate. Thoughts?
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Jan 11, 2004 14:18:48 GMT -5
Post by Unlimited on Jan 11, 2004 14:18:48 GMT -5
Interesting idea.
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Jan 11, 2004 14:43:29 GMT -5
Post by Brezhnev on Jan 11, 2004 14:43:29 GMT -5
I don't really like the idea of an NPO army. If we do have something, I think a militia would be better.
We can't send defenders to other regions at their request. If we did, we would be leaving a big hole open for the Pacific Army or some other invaders to create a false alarm to pull us out of the region.
Besides, I don't think we need an army to help spread the word. Most regions seem to have realized that the PA propoganda about the NPO being illegitimate and "against the game" are simply untrue and are willing to work with us.
Also, is the NPO currently allied with any regions?
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