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Nov 25, 2003 0:56:32 GMT -5
Post by Neo Dystopia on Nov 25, 2003 0:56:32 GMT -5
The key point of contention here is whether or not the delegate position is open and can be obtained by another nation/political party democratically, ie by majority rule of the Pacific people.
The dividing line between a democratic delegacy and a dictatorship is distinguished by this question.
Can a UN nation that is native to the Pacific safely campaign for the delegate position without fearing ejection?
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Nov 25, 2003 4:17:35 GMT -5
Post by Sir Paul on Nov 25, 2003 4:17:35 GMT -5
Can a nation campaign to be delegate without fear of ejection? No. It is in violation of civil code 0001: Seeking more that 15 endorsements. Also, if you try to win with 15 endorsements by getting other people to unendorse the delegate, you are in violation of civil code 2005, failure to become aligned with the delegate. So, technically, all UN nations who do not endorse Francos could be cast out. Also, if you try to get the UN nations endorsing Francos to drop out, you are in violation of civil code 2004: resigning from the UN without obtaining authorization from the proper Government ministry. Also, you probably couldn't do all of this by yourself, so you'd be in violation of civil code 0004: Belonging to a subversive organization.
It is effectively impossible to become UN delegate without violating the civil code, and violation of the civil code leads to one being banned from the Pacific.
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Nov 25, 2003 15:42:47 GMT -5
Post by Warrior Thorin on Nov 25, 2003 15:42:47 GMT -5
That civil code also protects the region. It keeps idiots (like those in the PA and RRA) from becoming delegate and destroying our tranquil and stable region.
We are able to address concerns to the senate, which, in my opinion, suggests that this is not a dictatorship. And I seem to recall that Francos once gave up his UN membership to permit the free selection of the delegate. The people chose Francos to be their delegate! Enough said. I'd much rather have someone who KNOWS how to run a region head it rather than some upstart young punk who has not even read a civics book much less has any notion of how to run a government lead our great region. Thus, if you wish to lament about how awful it is that someone can't just collect endorsements and remove our delegate, then maybe you should find a new home. As for classifying the kind of government we have, who cares? The NPO works and it is the best government the Pacific has ever seen.
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Nov 25, 2003 20:28:37 GMT -5
Post by Warrior Thorin on Nov 25, 2003 20:28:37 GMT -5
hahahahahahahahah you are one joke and a big one ive all was ask to talk about this but never had the chance look at it this way we can fight you for ever you delegate kicking as out and you runing you foul mouth but ive seen that the onley way my friends and brothers in arms can get peace is by talking about it are you relly so childish that you can't talk about it franco iam not by any menes bother by you childish talk in fact you make me lol by this becouse you show how litty you mind is i was told you were a great leader of intelagents of couse i was told a lie if of couse you would like to talk sence i would welcome the change to talk to you Regarding the intelligence of our opposition, I rest my case.
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Nov 25, 2003 21:08:59 GMT -5
Post by Regmagen on Nov 25, 2003 21:08:59 GMT -5
Thorin, you are doing exactly what I wanted to avoid in this. Did you read the thread or are you just blindly responding?
Getters, work on your spelling and grammar. Insults have basis to go on.
Back to Thorin, based on the intelligence of one person?Bring a point to me. Debate with someone who has a grasp on the English language.
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Nov 25, 2003 22:35:05 GMT -5
Post by Neo Dystopia on Nov 25, 2003 22:35:05 GMT -5
Can a nation campaign to be delegate without fear of ejection? No. It is in violation of civil code 0001: Seeking more that 15 endorsements. Also, if you try to win with 15 endorsements by getting other people to unendorse the delegate, you are in violation of civil code 2005, failure to become aligned with the delegate. So, technically, all UN nations who do not endorse Francos could be cast out. Also, if you try to get the UN nations endorsing Francos to drop out, you are in violation of civil code 2004: resigning from the UN without obtaining authorization from the proper Government ministry. Also, you probably couldn't do all of this by yourself, so you'd be in violation of civil code 0004: Belonging to a subversive organization. It is effectively impossible to become UN delegate without violating the civil code, and violation of the civil code leads to one being banned from the Pacific. Therefore, will the Pacific delegate position be filled by Francos Spain indefinately with no possibility of change?
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Nov 25, 2003 22:46:51 GMT -5
Post by Neo Dystopia on Nov 25, 2003 22:46:51 GMT -5
We are able to address concerns to the senate, which, in my opinion, suggests that this is not a dictatorship. How does one join the senate? It appears to me that the senate is made up of a few nations that all share the same views and are all trusted and loyal followers of Francos Spain. Where is the voice of the opposition in the senate? The existance of a senate does not mean the government is not dictatorial. A senate that is not made up of nations representing different views is the same as a single ruler.
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Senator / Pacific Surveyor of Foreign Threat
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Nov 25, 2003 23:08:08 GMT -5
Post by Unlimited on Nov 25, 2003 23:08:08 GMT -5
The senate's views do differ in many matters. If you mean, "some of the senate should support the PA or RRA", in order to give it a balance, then this is madness. Do they let Fidel Castro's right hand men into the American Senate? Of coarse not, it would quickly lead to back-stabbing and the closure of the senate. The senate’s views vary from issue to issue and these views are openly expressed. If you read the senate topic you would see that there are votes on such matters, meaning that FS does not solely decide things. So, in that way we are all the voice of the opposition.
Obviously we are few or the senate would be nothing but bureaucracy and would become crippled and inefficient. Obviously FS trusts us all, or we might simply betray the pacific, leaving it weak, like it once was.
Work for the pacific, and the pacific shall work for you.
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Nov 25, 2003 23:14:08 GMT -5
Post by Neo Dystopia on Nov 25, 2003 23:14:08 GMT -5
The senate's views do differ in many matters. If you mean, "some of the senate should support the PA or RRA", in order to give it a balance, then this is madness. Do they let Fidel Castro's right hand men into the American Senate? Of coarse not, it would quickly lead to back-stabbing and the closure of the senate. The senate’s views vary from issue to issue and these views are openly expressed. If you read the senate topic you would see that there are votes on such matters, meaning that FS does not solely decide things. So, in that way we are all the voice of the opposition. Obviously we are few or the senate would be nothing but bureaucracy and would become crippled and inefficient. Obviously FS trusts us all, or we might simply betray the pacific, leaving it weak, like it once was. Work for the pacific, and the pacific shall work for you. ok, So what issues are decided in the senate? If they concern the Pacific and affect the Pacific nations, are they made public and are the votes revealed to the public? And you didn't answer my first question, how does one join the senate and what is the criteria?
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Nov 25, 2003 23:26:46 GMT -5
Post by Unlimited on Nov 25, 2003 23:26:46 GMT -5
How do you get into the senate? You make it sound like people should just be able to walk into it. You must display many qualities to be worthy of such a position. Ultimately the senate decides, since I was the last member of the senate to join, I have not seen this in process, so I can describe no more to you.
All issues are decided in the senate, not all of which directly affect the pacific nations. We do our best to act as a buffer between the peace-loving pacific natives and the hurly-burly of daily pacific politics. Of coarse, for issues that directly affect them, they are quite free to come here and debate them.
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Nov 26, 2003 3:12:52 GMT -5
Post by BertramStantrous on Nov 26, 2003 3:12:52 GMT -5
it franco iam not by any menes bother by you childish talk in fact you make me lol I'm sorry, but this is by far the funniest thing I've ever read. Please, carry on.
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Nov 26, 2003 14:23:50 GMT -5
Post by Warrior Thorin on Nov 26, 2003 14:23:50 GMT -5
Thorin, you are doing exactly what I wanted to avoid in this. Did you read the thread or are you just blindly responding? Getters, work on your spelling and grammar. Insults have basis to go on. Back to Thorin, based on the intelligence of one person?Bring a point to me. Debate with someone who has a grasp on the English language. Yes, I have read this entire thread. Why do you need to butt in when I am not addressing you, anyway? Actually, I base my opinion on the myriad personalities that have graced our region representing the PA and the RRA. Gettersburg is but one example of the childish intellect that seeks to subvert our region. I have made several points in this and other threads. Did you not read those? I am happy to debate with you and anyone. I will win, though because I am on the side of truth and justice, of which the NPO is also. So go ahead, debate me.
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Nov 26, 2003 22:18:56 GMT -5
Post by Regmagen on Nov 26, 2003 22:18:56 GMT -5
I jumped in because you attacked the PA on the basis of intelligence, meanwhile I stand before you asking for a topic for debate and you ignore that and go for the known incompetant.
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Nov 28, 2003 15:19:39 GMT -5
Post by Warrior Thorin on Nov 28, 2003 15:19:39 GMT -5
Well, give me something to debate, then.
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Post by Questioning One on Dec 9, 2003 4:39:03 GMT -5
I am happy to debate with you and anyone. I will win, though because I am on the side of truth and justice, of which the NPO is also. So go ahead, debate me. What exactly do you mean by that? There is no such thing as absolute truth and absolute justice, it's all a matter of opinion. Because of groups like the PA and RRA, the NPO has never been able to leave the state of martial law that it entered when it was founded. What I would like to see, at the very least, is a cease fire and for the region to truly become peaceful.
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