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Post by Serengarve on Aug 28, 2004 9:14:11 GMT -5
Um, errr, you people are very easily distracted. Can I sign an informal constituional alliance? It might just be me, but I would think that the constant derailing of the topic means that you're not likely to make any diplomatic inroads here.
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Post by Pierconium on Aug 28, 2004 9:33:46 GMT -5
It would appear Dafitopiapolis that you wish to have your cake and eat it too.
I admit, it is rather intelligent (excepting the disparaging anti-NPO remarks you made on the ADN forum) to seek out alliances with both the ADN and NPO. It would be a great benefit to most newer regions to have such allies.
Unfortunately the current state of affairs is such that the ADN is currently planning means to remove the sitting government of The Pacific. Not only that but ADN allies are actively spamming the NPO and generally making a nuisance of themselves.
This activity has been constant for almost a full year (whether admitted to by the ADN or not). Further, the NPO has been labelled by the Judicial Branch of the ADN as a known enemy to the ADN. This classification would place you in legal harms way if you sign an alliance with us here. Ask RedCommunist of USSR how friendly interaction with the NPO made his position within the ADN.
So you see, while we are labelled "evil" and some here jokingly take on the moniker of "sith" to their "jedi", they are the aggressor. They are the ones perpetuating this unnamed "war". You can not ally to them and ally to us. It just isn't feasible at this time.
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 28, 2004 13:58:49 GMT -5
I see your points, but the ADN seems to have more members than the NPO (am I correct here; I don't actually know?), why should I believe you and not the ADN?
Furthermore, I know that you supported an attempted invasion fo the North Pacific. I realise the region is very elitist, but so was the dictator you were trying to put in tis place. Moreover, you are allied with the USSR, which unless I am very badly mistaken is an invader region.
I have risked everything to try and ally with you and the ADN, and have lost several of my previous allies due to the dispute. I wouldn't directly or indirectly support any attempt to overthrow the NPO, you are clearly the best government the Pacific could hope for.
I am sorry for critising you. I cannot justify these actions and so I will not attempt to.
I have one more thing to ask: Why is it all your personal photos seem to be of people in outdated military uniforms with moustaches?
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Post by Gates on Aug 28, 2004 14:50:50 GMT -5
I like my moustache.
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Post by Pierconium on Aug 28, 2004 15:36:10 GMT -5
I see your points, but the ADN seems to have more members than the NPO (am I correct here; I don't actually know?), why should I believe you and not the ADN? Furthermore, I know that you supported an attempted invasion fo the North Pacific. I realise the region is very elitist, but so was the dictator you were trying to put in tis place. Moreover, you are allied with the USSR, which unless I am very badly mistaken is an invader region. I have risked everything to try and ally with you and the ADN, and have lost several of my previous allies due to the dispute. I wouldn't directly or indirectly support any attempt to overthrow the NPO, you are clearly the best government the Pacific could hope for. I am sorry for critising you. I cannot justify these actions and so I will not attempt to. I have one more thing to ask: Why is it all your personal photos seem to be of people in outdated military uniforms with moustaches? First, the NPO is the governing body of The Pacific and is not in and of itself an alliance. The ADN is an alliance of member regions. They are not the same thing. Also, as far as member regions, the ADN is willing to accept almost any region that seeks admittance. The Union (the alliance that The Pacific is part of) is new and is expressly invitation only. Therefore, we have less members citing the doctrine of quality versus quantity. As to the issue of The North Pacific, you are quite simply, incorrect. TNP had an election, a nation within the region won. The ADN did not like that nation and he left. Another nation (who had the most endorsements) took control. The ADN didn't like that nation and it invaded. The NPO and others simply came in to attempt to stop ADN imperialism. As to the statement regarding USSR. That too is misinformed opinion. The USSR has assisted it's allies in the past with liberation attempts against invaders but has never participated in an invasion against another region that they were not openly declared to be at war with.
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 29, 2004 5:08:13 GMT -5
The USSR is that rare exception among regions. When it goes to war, they come back victorious The rarety of this feat has often created the misconception of a dedicated invader region, but it is simply that: a misconception.
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 29, 2004 6:17:07 GMT -5
Misconceptions fuelled by actions such as have been taken in the ADN forums surrounding this topic. Someone with admin access has edited the thread removing all entries by Moldavi and myself to do with this and of course the inflammatory statements about censorship by Brachycardial Cavemen. And we're the ones with a suspect moral code? This fellow threatens to "edit" Moldavi's statements to reflect BC's own view of things then falls back on it was a joke. When I caution him to choose better jokes in light of his position he refuses to citing refusing to alter his joking gameplay for anyone at which point Geomania X breaks up the "love in". Apparently someone felt it was dangerous enough which disturbs me because all that went on was questioning BC's words and attitude. I can't imagine what would really happen if something of any substance broke. The rank and file would never find out.
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 29, 2004 6:36:43 GMT -5
I see. Have I mentioned before that I have been investigating ADN corruption for some time?
I still don't see why I should trust you above the ADN, however: why would they be so imperialistic?
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 29, 2004 6:41:53 GMT -5
Then you are blind to the facts of the situation. And, you've been investigating ADN corruption? How is it that your story keeps fluctuating here. First you want to help the NPO, then you want to join the ADN and you call us evil on their forums, then you're neutral, then you've been leaning towards disliking the ADN for some time What next?
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 29, 2004 7:37:14 GMT -5
Has my story been changing? I will be honest with you, I don't know who I can trust. Perhaps you will be more willing to ally with me now I have changed my image to one more like the rest of yours?
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 29, 2004 7:42:31 GMT -5
If I was to refuse to support the ADN on any military endevours against the NPO or your allies, would you be willing to ally with me, even though I also look for an alliance with the ADN?
I promise to remain utterly and totally neutral in any conflicts between you.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Aug 29, 2004 10:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 29, 2004 12:11:45 GMT -5
I'm afraid, all things aside of course, that the ADN would not grant you such a luxury in most circumstances The ADN is in essence at war with us, as a member, so too would you.
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 29, 2004 12:39:34 GMT -5
If I was to refuse to support the ADN on any military endevours against the NPO or your allies, would you be willing to ally with me, even though I also look for an alliance with the ADN? I promise to remain utterly and totally neutral in any conflicts between you. Unfortunately you will not be allowed to associate with us if you are in the ADN their rules. If you have no designs on us we do not cast a covetous eye over your region, we are non expansionist. Given recent events any talk of alliances or treaties is completely out of the question for the forseeable future.
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 30, 2004 5:28:38 GMT -5
Would it be possible to have any sort of treaty with both the NPO and the ADN?
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