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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 20, 2004 7:00:28 GMT -5
Is that from our inter-regional messages? If so, our Minister of Immigration Da Shadow Lord is responsible; I will ask him.
Gatesville is authoritarian, it is not a criticism, it is a fact. We are not passing judgement, we are merely stating a fact. We do not say whether it is a good or a bad thing.
It is a threat towards socialism because it plans to gain dominance over the UN by creating a huge region in which all UN nations endorse their delegate. This will give the region massive voting power to overthrow any socialist or liberal proposals. Again, however, we do not pass judgment.
I do apologise for any misunderstandings or offence caused.
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Sir Paul
Senator / Director of the Pacific Press
This is PNN
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Post by Sir Paul on Aug 20, 2004 7:10:59 GMT -5
Alright, please draft up a treaty of what you would like, and I'll take it to the senate for consideration.
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 20, 2004 7:23:05 GMT -5
HELLO!!! IS ANYONE THERE?!? This is a busy time and we are pre occupied with matters elsewhere at the same time you have come to us. Patience is required, Rome wasn't built in a day you know. Several things worry me about what you've said. We aren't preparing to attack the North Pacific, our involvement was there strictly at the request of the failed ALSO regime. Why do you think our eyes wander over the North Pacific? Do you feel you will have need of assistance in the near future due to your activities against the ADN? Why are you seeking to spy on them? You say you've had nations deleted. What is the reasoning given by Admin? What Propaganda are you referring to that you would spread on our behalf?
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 20, 2004 7:54:23 GMT -5
I would firstly like to thank all of the NPO nations for responding so quickly to my posts in this embassy. It has been a great honour to meet you.
I will now answer Black Adder's Questions, before finally discussing a draft of the treaty:
Several things worry me about what you've said. We aren't preparing to attack the North Pacific, our involvement was there strictly at the request of the failed ALSO regime. Why do you think our eyes wander over the North Pacific?
We have several spies in ADN regions. The people in these regions seemed to be convinced that it was the NPO that attacked the North Pacific.
Do you feel you will have need of assistance in the near future due to your activities against the ADN? Why are you seeking to spy on them?
We have discovered incriminating evidence suggesting major corruption within the ADN. We think it would be wise to find out more. We doubt we will require further assistance in the future, but we would like to think, that as we are your comrade in arms, you would come to our aid if we were attacked.
You say you've had nations deleted. What is the reasoning given by Admin?
One of the new members to our region apparently used multiple UN nations. He has denied the charges, and the other mods have apologised for deleting the nations.
What Propaganda are you referring to that you would spread on our behalf?
We would happily spread any propoganda that you wished to further the NPO's cause.
As described above, I will now discuss a draft of the treaty. As the more powerful organisation, I feel you should have the most say in the actual treaty however my region has designed the following ideas. Feel free to reject any of them:
1. Mutual military assistance. 2. We would like unrestricted advertising rights within NPO regions, in exchange for spreading pro-NPO propoganda. 3. We would like free trade of cheese to be enacted between our two regions. 4. We would also like a diplomatic alliance.
If there is anything else you feel we should suggest, please inform me.
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 21, 2004 1:12:09 GMT -5
I don't wish to be impatient, but I can't help it. Please answer sometime soon.
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Post by Doppelganger on Aug 21, 2004 1:44:03 GMT -5
We have never criticised Gatesville, I am sure; it is a wonderful region! The reason we have only a few UN members is because most are currently trying to bring a stable government to the North Pacific and its despicable ruler Thel Dran. Also, pro-ADN mods have been randomly deleting our nations since we questioned Pope-Hope about ADN corruption. We support the NPO, and its brilliantly successful campaign to return order to the Pacific. We would like to sample some of the Pacific's cheese and to have free-cheese trading between our regions, because I think it would benefit us both. Also, we would like joint military assistance if either of us are attacked. We will also help you and you're allies in any attempts to retake the North Pacific from the tyrannical Thel Dran. We would like permission to continue advertising in the Pacific, but we would still be prepared to accept the alliance if you refused this. We promise to help spread pro-NPO propoganda. The reason we wanted to join the ADN is because it would further help us investigatet the corruption within it. We have several spies in ADN regions including Equilism, and we are not convinced that they used legitimate tactics in the invasion of the North Pacific. Do you know anything about this? The reason we are now at war with the moderators is because since we questioned Pope Hope about adn corruption we have been recieving threats and have had several of our UN nations deleted. We have long privately supported the NPO, and as we are both enemies of the ADN I think we should be allied. We decided to do this after one of our nations: PuppetStateofDafidius questioned Unlimited. Please ask him if you do not believe me. We are fanatical supporters of Peace, Strength, and Prosperity. Actually, I'd say you criticize Gatesville with regional advertisements like this: "3 minutes ago The Principality of New Pau-Ar Greetings Comrades! I am not here to offer irritating advertisements for my region; I am simply telling you that we are an option if you are looking for a region to join. The Realms of Knowledge is a Green, Socialist, Anarchist and Communist region, with many allies, an online forum, opportunities for promotion and our own, ever growing defender army. With the threat from fascism and authoritarian regions like Gatesville constantly gaining power, we socialists need to stick together now, more than ever. We are completely democratic, our UN delegate votes according to an online poll and we regularly work to liberate invaded regions. We are strictly neutral in all conflicts between the ADN and NPO. I hope you will consider joining our region. TELEGRAM MYSELF OR DA ROMULAN STAR EMPIRE FOR THE PASSWORD. Yours faithfully Comrade Dafidius" Perhaps you don't criticize them, but you make it sound as if you oppose them in some way. Not that I really care, it was just something I noticed on the Pacific Civil HQ. I also find it interesting that you say your region is an ardant supporter of the New Pacific Order, but what does this line in your regions ad suggest? "We are strictly neutral in all conflicts between the ADN and NPO." But then in a post that was put up only two minutes after the first, by the same exact nation, it makes your region seem pretty diehard NPO: "1 minute ago The Principality of New Pau-Ar All Hail the NPO! All Hail unlimited! All hail Francos Spain (deceased)! All Hail the Mighty Pacific! For Peace, Strength, and Prosperity! For Solidarity! For Socialism! Long live the NPO! The NPO made my life worht living! Long live the NPO! They provided me a meaning to continue my life! Long live the NPO! They brought Peace, Strength, and Prosperity to the Great Pacific! Long live the NPO! May the New Pacific Order continue to bring glory to the Pacific for the rest of eternity!" Split personality perhaps? Or are you just sitting on the fence?
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Post by Brezhnev on Aug 21, 2004 3:10:24 GMT -5
I see the old conspiracy still theories live.
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 21, 2004 4:32:35 GMT -5
It depends on who is doing the advertising. Our region is split between about half supporting the NPO and the rest against it or neutral. We have voted for support for the NPO, and those who are against the NPO are either leaving or putting up with it.
Our advertisers are meant to say that we are pro-NPO, but I have had a dispute with my minister of Immigration over the matter, and he has annoyingly got his puppet nations to post other things. The matter is now sorted, and you should not see any of the anti-NPO or neutral posts appearing.
I realise this, especially when combined with our apparent changes of alignment, must sound suspicious, but I can asure that my region wishes to side with the NPO, not the ADN and definitely not to remain neutral.
If we were planning some sort of treachery against the NPO, then it would surely be planned better than this.
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 21, 2004 5:17:15 GMT -5
Well, Gatesville admits to being ultra conservative... it hardly seems like a criticism, just encouragement to help build up an equal liberal region. I don't think there was any poor intent.
Thanks Papa!
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Post by Nova Atlantica on Aug 21, 2004 13:48:40 GMT -5
Daf...?
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Aug 21, 2004 14:37:07 GMT -5
I don't think you can play both sides here. In fact, I think you will be, as the airborne put it, out there flapping in the wind.
Honestly, if the ADN rejected you, why on Earth would we want you?
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 21, 2004 14:40:16 GMT -5
To clarify NPO the NPO position on Embassies, ADN membership does not cancel out any opportunity for diplomatic exchange. Quite the opposite. We maintain Embassy and Diplomatic Interest sections with many ADN members. We feel its best to have open lines of communication between Hostile camps even if it is roundabout.
Diplomatic ties does not immediately constitute Military aid, that requires treaties specific on a case by case basis. It does not mean automatic exchanges of intelligence. It means only communication. The NPO is extremely reluctant to enter into such commitments without knowing alot about said parties. Blank cheques are dangerous.
Given we have been declared a known Enemy of the ADN by the ADN Judicial branch due to our aid in the ALSO/North Pacific affair ADN regions can expect to be censured and/or harassed for maintaining contact with us. They further will be open to legal action from the ADN under their Section 7 for having ties to us no matter how tenuous. Apparently its not enough to be a 'defender' organization but they feel necessary to intrude into Regional affairs and restrict them as well.
Long and short of it is this Realms of Knowledge. We are happy to maintain contact with you. We will accept Ambassadors from you. We will not be entering into any defensive pact with you until we know more about how you run your region and things begin to settle down. If you are being unfairly attacked you can ask for assistance and we will look at it from there. For now there is far too many inconsistancies and unknowns to expect anything else. If this is acceptable then you are free to appoint an Ambassador.
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Post by Dafitopiapolis on Aug 21, 2004 23:25:02 GMT -5
I understand why you are suspicious and I feel you are right not to trust me, I would be equally suspicious were I to be in your position. Having said this, I still maintain that everything I have told you is true. Perhaps you would be more inclined to accept if I stuck my hamster to my face as a fake moustache and put on a military uniform. I would still like to request permission for unlimited advertising rights in the Pacific in exchange for spreading pro NPO propoganda, and I feel a cheese trading exchange would benefit both our regions.
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Post by Doppelganger on Aug 21, 2004 23:37:09 GMT -5
I understand why you are suspicious and I feel you are right not to trust me, I would be equally suspicious were I to be in your position. Having said this, I still maintain that everything I have told you is true. Perhaps you would be more inclined to accept if I stuck my hamster to my face as a fake moustache and put on a military uniform. I would still like to request permission for unlimited advertising rights in the Pacific in exchange for spreading pro NPO propoganda, and I feel a cheese trading exchange would benefit both our regions. I don't agree with "unlimited advertising." The Pacific doesn't need you spamming the Civil HQ with your advertisements every 15 minutes. I think if we allowed you to post once a day that would be quite enough. Maybe we could even be generous and say twice a day.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Aug 22, 2004 7:53:51 GMT -5
Maybe we should stick with the game rules: One advertisement per region per day.
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