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Post by Tar A on May 12, 2004 10:38:12 GMT -5
Let's see... apparently when the invaders came into the region, they received telegrams from Norion asking for their support. To my knowledge he hasn't ever publicly decried the invaders or asked them to go home; I suppose that is because it's an easy way to retain his seat without ejecting MVS. Not to give offense to our West Pacific guests, but these are definitely not the actions of a 'democratic' leader (which he claims to be). If he even has to censure his own region's forum... well, that's a bad sign.
Eh, and as for the nation Zhdanov, he gave it to me, which is why it's hanging out in the Pacific.
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Post by Antigone Memorial on May 12, 2004 13:19:58 GMT -5
Norion wants to have his cake and eat it (It hink that's right.) He wants to seen as a great 'democratic' leader, yet he loathes the very idea that this means he may have to surrender his delegacy in a democratic election.
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Post by Antigone Memorial on May 12, 2004 17:24:51 GMT -5
I think we should cease all communications with the corrupt government of the West Pacific, and in particular the incompetant Norion, until such time as they are proven to be worth dealing with and competant in diplomatic and democratic efforts
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Post by Ceaser on May 12, 2004 18:45:53 GMT -5
to cut off communication would only worsen relations.
other members of the west pacific come here to a neutral forum to post their ideas without fear of deletion of said posts.
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Post by Chosen Men on May 12, 2004 20:47:21 GMT -5
Perhaps Norion's best defense against losing an election is to abdicate and move to another region ... temporarily. Of course he would lose all endorsements, power, etc. But if TWP really wanted him, they could telegram and ask him to return. He could then return in triumph, return to delegate position, and make the world a safer place.
Anything wrong with this scenario?
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Post by Antigone Memorial on May 13, 2004 12:08:26 GMT -5
One thing: The active members DON'T want him and he knows this. This is why he has been calling in support from FF, ADN and RRA to help rig the elections in his favor.
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Post by Chosen Men on May 13, 2004 12:30:53 GMT -5
So who is the opposition calling to support their cause against him? It seems such actions create a double-edged sword.
Is Norion a bad leader? If yes, perhaps he needs to be helped out of power. If no, then he should be bolstered.
Instability in any large region of NS seems to have a rippling effect in other areas as well. I neither support Norion or condemn him here. I just wonder what might happen in our region if Norion is bumped ... will a raider coalition form to attept the overthrow of all major regional leaders.
This issue, though only of moderate inerest to this point, could have far-reaching (and greatly damaging) consequences if ANY coalition of outsiders is formed inside TWP.
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Post by Antigone Memorial on May 13, 2004 12:39:52 GMT -5
Well, Norion has been getting the ADN, FF and RRA to help him by telling them that the NPO are attempting to invade. So like it or not, we're involved.
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Post by Chosen Men on May 13, 2004 12:42:37 GMT -5
Well then, there you have it!
What does Francos suggest?
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Post by Warrior Thorin on May 13, 2004 17:55:17 GMT -5
Well, Norion has been getting the ADN, FF and RRA to help him by telling them that the NPO are attempting to invade. So like it or not, we're involved. It's a little difficult to invade when you have no army. I guess Norion hasn't figured that out yet.
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Post by Black Adder on May 13, 2004 19:06:36 GMT -5
I wish I could comment logically but I've not had any inquiries I've made returned from Norion. I've learned I'm suspected to be Lanier the former Foreign Minister (they refer to us as paranoid ). My access to the password protected "Pacific Embassy" no longer works and I've received no updated password. I'm not certain the Grand Viceroy has either. I sincerely hope it is an oversight or else they've effectively made the decision whether to maintain discourse with us or not. End result is I'm very pleased at the way we've dealt with this. Comrade Franco, you have my respect for the Statesmanship you've employed. On a rather mundane final note I thank all of my Comrades in the NPO for the support and assistance shown. I'd rather serve in NPO Hell than rule in ADN Heaven for want of a better analogy.
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Post by Mammothistan on May 13, 2004 21:24:13 GMT -5
It's a little difficult to invade when you have no army. I guess Norion hasn't figured that out yet. Comrade, who is it who is mostly telling Norion these things, and then believing him? ADN Intel is Scheiße.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on May 14, 2004 1:45:04 GMT -5
Comrade, who is it who is mostly telling Norion these things, and then believing him? I personally believe it is the ADN and their lackies. I wouldn't be surprised if those Freedom Fighters were whispering in Norion's ears as well.
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Post by Antigone Memorial on May 14, 2004 13:19:44 GMT -5
Norion has gone of the rails big time, comrade BlackAdder, he has flipped and just starting being really, really......I can't think of something to express it, but he is being REALLY whatever it is. There is currently a boycott in place on the official board by most of the active members and apparantly there are even talks of leaving the West Pacific completely and creating a new region.
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Post by Chosen Men on May 14, 2004 13:43:20 GMT -5
Is Norion a bad leader? If yes, perhaps he needs to be helped out of power. If no, then he should be bolstered. I'm reminded of a comment by Winston Churchhill, "The loyalties which center upon number one are enormous. If he trips he must be sustained. If he makes mistakes they must be covered. If he sleeps he must not be wantonly disturbed. If he is no good he must be pole-axed. The question still begs to be answered. Is Norion a good or a bad leader?
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