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Post by SgtPepper on Jun 12, 2004 7:31:34 GMT -5
Now would any member of the NPO Government come to the meritocracy in sort of a Q&A session?
The Meritocratic Consul Argryes has already agreed to come here for such a session.
I think that if each group had more exposure to the others civilization and leadership better relations would result.
If somebody could get back to me with a time that would suit them I could talk to argryes and see if we could do this swap of sorts started within the week.
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Post by Pierconium on Jun 14, 2004 11:36:06 GMT -5
I do believe our Senator Unlimited is registered and active on The Meritocracy's forum.
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Post by SuuKyi on Jun 15, 2004 9:32:02 GMT -5
It is good to be a little more active again. I am winding down the mother of all moves which did indeed involve moving my mother along with my father to new and friendlier environs.  I have missed this forum and intend to be more active here as my still busy life allows. Returning to some comments on the Atlantic Central Command that Senator Mammothistan had made earlier; Criticise it, condemn it, miss it, praise it or whatever, The ACC was home to quite a few of us and also to myself. Many Nation States greats along with the infamous had sojourned within it's halls and whatever anyone says of it, it was way beyond a mere group of region crashers. I'm sure that Sgt. Pepper would agree in this.  Not many people are aware of how close the ACC came to rehabilitating its name and making a new and different mark on Nation States than it ever had previously, but for an unlucky and ill-timed lapse in management. I was a believer in that effort and fought to the end to preserve the "Prague Spring" that organization briefly enjoyed. There was also a great sense of pride how we thwarted an RRA invasion attempt during a time of relative inactivity on the part of Founder Nazifaz. Our response was crisp and our discipline exemplary. A failed father it is, but the sons and daughters emerged numerous, established and successful. Perhaps its success or failure should not be determined relative to whether or not it thrived and how big it got, but by how many people it affected and how many of those went to achieve great things in Nation States. As for more cultural and diplomatic exchange that would be a great thing. I bid Meritocratic Consul Argyres and those who accompany him welcome. |
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Post by Argyres on Jun 17, 2004 16:30:04 GMT -5
I have finally arrived, tardy as always I'm afraid. Sadly, I bear no gifts (though with me being Greek, you would have had to beware if I had ), nor do I come accompanied...the sad and lonely life of the MEritocratic Consul.  I hope to have discussions that prove to be both informative and interesting in the days and weeks to come. *To slightly digress, the Consular Elections are coming up in about 3 weeks, so I'll be no longer holding any governmental office after their completion. |
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Post by Unlimited on Jun 18, 2004 11:53:25 GMT -5
Sgt Pepper, if you wish me to answer any questions on the Merit board, I am only too happy to do so.
Glad to hear your move went well SuuKyi, your activity is always greatly appreciated.
Welcome Argyres, please feel free to browse and post on the boards as you see fit, if you have any questions or statements, we'll be only too happy to hear them.
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Post by SgtPepper on Jun 19, 2004 15:16:37 GMT -5
I thank Argryes for showing up and I thank Unlimited for his offer.
As Argryes has states the Consular election are in a mere 3 weeks and I once again(for the third time now) I will be running.
Now I have stated in my campaign topic that I would work towards the signing of some sort of ADN-NPO non-agression treaty in order to stop this ever lasting undeed or wanted bickering. I think an ADN-NPO truce would be great for the world and stop the paranoia running wild out there about the NPO.
If elected(long shot by the way) would the NPO be willing to work with me on this?
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Post by Pierconium on Jun 21, 2004 3:50:17 GMT -5
That is one of the most refreshing comments any of the Meritocracy representatives have ever made on this forum.
I for one feel that a formal treaty between The Meritocracy and the NPO would be monumental in securing the legitimacy (to the outside world, we in The Pacific realize the legitimacy of the NPO) of our leader, Francos Spain's rule.
The fact that The Meritocracy appears to be allied with the ADN would make this recognition all the more valuable, in my opinion.
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Post by Unistrut on Jun 21, 2004 11:59:11 GMT -5
That is one of the most refreshing comments any of the Meritocracy representatives have ever made on this forum. I for one feel that a formal treaty between The Meritocracy and the NPO would be monumental in securing the legitimacy (to the outside world, we in The Pacific realize the legitimacy of the NPO) of our leader, Francos Spain's rule. The fact that The Meritocracy appears to be allied with the ADN would make this recognition all the more valuable, in my opinion. What sort of treaty would you be looking for, Governor? Another question if you'll bear with me- to whom does it appear that the Meritocracy is allied to the ADN? Granted the ADN has ratified an alliance with The Meritocracy but I can tell you as the lead diplomat no such ratification is in the offing in our Senate. Nor shall it be as long as I have something to say about it. |
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Post by Black Adder on Jun 21, 2004 13:14:31 GMT -5
Another question if you'll bear with me- to whom does it appear that the Meritocracy is allied to the ADN? Granted the ADN has ratified an alliance with The Meritocracy but I can tell you as the lead diplomat no such ratification is in the offing in our Senate. Nor shall it be as long as I have something to say about it. Given the large number of those represented in the ADN also claim Senatorial status in the Met it is generally accepted they have tacit support. Were it otherwise something would be said particularily given the fact Met status is worn like a rank in the ADN. While I make the distinction much of what I see and the current wind blowing in the Met is of a nature friendly if not quietly supportive of ADN activity. I also realize this is indicative of the representation in there not of the Organization as a whole. That is why its said the ADN and the Met are allied, not so much because of a treaty but because of association. Sometimes its difficult to see where one ends and the other begins. |
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Post by Pierconium on Jun 21, 2004 15:54:50 GMT -5
Well said Black Adder.
It might be prudent to also point out that The Meritocracy has welcomed prominent members of the ADN with open arms while those friendly to us here in The Pacific and in the NPO have been met with scorn and ridicule.
While not technically allied with the ADN, The Meritocracy shows their support in other ways. The sharing of intelligence, the joint military activities, etc.
Being allied with a nation or group of nations does not necessarily mean you have a piece of paper officially signed off that states so.
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Post by Unistrut on Jun 21, 2004 16:13:26 GMT -5
The Meritocracy and ADN rarely share intelligence, and if they do it is of a strictly invader/defender nature.
You mentioned a treaty, Governor Pierconium. That was the gist of my original post.
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Post by Pierconium on Jun 21, 2004 16:16:45 GMT -5
I am not authorized to discuss extra-regional politics and diplomacy on that level sir. I do apologize as I would love to share my thoughts on having The Meritocracy become a close ally to the NPO, but I feel that would best be left to those more qualified than myself.
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Post by Unistrut on Jun 21, 2004 16:20:29 GMT -5
The Meritocracy, you'll find, is hesitant to make alliances with anyone. We prefer a fairly stable neutrality.
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Post by SuuKyi on Jun 21, 2004 16:35:33 GMT -5
I should add a piece to this puzzle and state that part of the reason there is a long term Meritocratic ADN relationship is that one former and one current Meritocratic Senator <Sarda of the Sardarkar Confederacy and Damon Caesar as he was known in the ACC> founded this organization though not as any extension of Meritocratic policy. One of these two founding members was later expelled for sharing some ADN priveleged information with the Meritocracy as they were a dual national and to this day I'm surprised that this person treats them with the deference they do. Both of these guys have my very highest respect and regard for their honour and conduct in Nation States. There is an ACC connexion which runs deep and long, all formed from people who held posts within all three of these organizations.
The ADN became ultra paranoid as the result of a security breach in an associated group called the Oceanic Security Agency which was the single biggest leak among several that gave away important battle details of the final Allied Expeditionary Force invasion attempt against the NPO just prior to the battle of the Glitch < 9 Nov 2003?>.
Along with Sarda, I had championed a Meritocratic alliance with a group called the Sardarkar Confederacy Defense Trust as an alternative to meet the Meritocracy's military needs and also to contain the then out of control Supreme Commander Pilmour's ACC which was running amok in places, mostly, but not all, socialist regions, empowered by group of mercernaries under Capitalist Soldiers of the ACC and his rogue friends from the ECZ. The SCDT never quite achieved political or military traction and was later absorbed by the ADN which seemed to find fertile ground in recruitment with its shiny new intelligence division and increasingly effective rapid deployment forces.
It is a complex association that also even involved members of the Exclusive Capitalist Alliance and from them perhaps some of the virulent hatred of the NPO originates as well as the imported hatred brought in by pissed off exiles of the old TheDoc/ Savage Lands regime. the manner in which Red Communist and also the USSR was treated highlights this bias very well.
It is actually natural that the Meritocracy and the ADN would find one another given all the opportunities for interaction via those founding Senators and a much more extensive Meritocratic involvement with the ACC. After the OSN fiasco, a new and ultra militant ADN came forth with the strictest standards of admission and the most extensive and widely deployed external intelligence apparatus Nation States has ever seen. So much so that it is changing the face of Nation States and the types of people who are attracted to it. The Atlantic Alliance formerly Atlantic Central Command eventually imploded due to the highly secretive nature of what it did so well but at the work and expense of so many not rewarded for it. A similar fate awaits the ADN and in my opinion, even the Meritocracy if it continues down this course with them.
Dethreading the ADN mindset from the Meritocratic mindset becomes more difficult with the ascendency of more and more ADN cultivated or influenced senators who are promoting this emphasis on security and exclusivity which does have the effect of disenfranchising the Senate and alienating people by forming numerous secret boards and secure fora all to themselves in which they analyse the "harvested" posts of others whom they feel may pose a threat to their order and form countermeasures.
I'll agree with Quaestor Unistrut that ADN influence is not total or even dominate at the upper levels of government, just damned loud and persistant and mostly adaquate to keep lower level Senators "in line." It has also had an effect on the types of Senators voted in. Much of this vocal onslaught on Meritocratic boards has also come from Freedom Fighters, RRA and a few people from the ALL. I had my doubts about any remaining Meritocratic resistance to this last month but am happy to hear Quaestor Unistrut state what he did above.
Another high level senator once remarked that he thought the ADN to actually be more influenced by the Meritocracy but I see greater change having come to the latter over time. I do see that more Senators are coming to realize the Faustian nature of partaking of ADN "gifts" and are coming to question the relationship and it effects on Meritocratic founding principles. Some elements of the ADN and the RRA have been extremely belligerent with the Meritocracy for going as far as it has with regard to preserving dialogue with the NPO.
The ADN enjoys much moderator and former moderator interest and even participation which of itself is a behavioural catalyst for them in that they feel answerable to noone for their actions and exhibit high levels of foreign policy and political hubris.
This all probably muddied the waters and for that I'm sorry but perhaps with a few more pieces of the great puzzle, a definite ground truth reality will emerge. A little history never hurts.
Suu Kyi
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Post by Black Adder on Jun 22, 2004 3:51:23 GMT -5
OSA wasn't the only one. EuroIslanders and the RRA were wonderful for not keeping their security. That was the whole essence of the Anti problem, they all wanted to be the deciding hero and worked together as effectively as a herd of cats. I find it amusing I see the same names in the Met and the ADN.
And since you let the worst kept secret in NS out yes I am very concerned at the level of Moderator influence in the ADN. They have a right to play the game but I question the fact the ADN is so powerfully placed at the moment if its right they should be present in it. It concerns me more that by virtue of the fact we've shrugged off alliances and involvement in actions we are left last man standing as any sort of opposition to the ADN's influence.
Given the very loud voices in the Met sympathetic to ADN views, support for anti Franco action by some of the Senate how effective is a Non aggression Treaty going to be? How would that be enforced? The ADN danced around any notion of even temporary cessation of hostile activity against us by their membership because they obviously knew they couldn't control their people.
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I have missed this forum and intend to be more active here as my still busy life allows.
Not many people are aware of how close the ACC came to rehabilitating its name and making a new and different mark on Nation States than it ever had previously, but for an unlucky and ill-timed lapse in management. I was a believer in that effort and fought to the end to preserve the "Prague Spring" that organization briefly enjoyed. There was also a great sense of pride how we thwarted an RRA invasion attempt during a time of relative inactivity on the part of Founder Nazifaz. Our response was crisp and our discipline exemplary. A failed father it is, but the sons and daughters emerged numerous, established and successful. Perhaps its success or failure should not be determined relative to whether or not it thrived and how big it got, but by how many people it affected and how many of those went to achieve great things in Nation States.
