Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 8, 2004 1:06:15 GMT -5
Now that Darlin has accepted the VD position, would she be ejected for collecting more endorsements than Norion?
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Post by Tar A on Mar 8, 2004 1:41:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt it.
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Berhampore
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Post by Berhampore on Mar 8, 2004 2:16:53 GMT -5
Well, if she had more endorsements than Norion, I guess she wouldn't be to quick to eject herself Joking aside, she has accepted that the election is over and she is the Vice Delegate. The Constitution states she must have a maximum of 100 endorsements less than the current Delegate. How she reaches this goal is entirely up to her. But at this point it would be against WestPac law for anyone to have more endorsements than the rightfully elected Delegate. The next election cycle is in three months, and any member nation of the West Pacific is free to run at that point.
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 8, 2004 2:30:51 GMT -5
How are the "elections" done? Endorsement swapping until a time limit is up?
How ofter are "elections"? 3 months from now will mean Norion has been in for a year.
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Post by Mammothistan on Mar 8, 2004 2:33:40 GMT -5
An election is a short period of time every three months. A nation cannot have more than a certain amount of endorsements except during the election period, when he must somehow be able to gain X amount of endorsements to overtake the delegate. After the election "ends" said nation must somehow lose a significant portion of the endorsements he or she had gained or face banishment from the region.
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 8, 2004 2:38:58 GMT -5
Surely in an election all candidates must start on a level playing field or it is no more than a show to appease of the masses?
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Berhampore
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Post by Berhampore on Mar 8, 2004 2:46:17 GMT -5
Mammothistan is essentially correct - elections are held each quarter, usually conducted over a period of three weeks. Endorsement 'swapping' is the usual method. The Vice Delegate may have up to 100 endorsements less than the Delegate, the level is lower for other nations. Several methods come to mind when the question of shedding endorsements comes up; asking nicely is one. I've seen than used on several occasions and it works.
Norion is one of the longest serving Delegates, if not THE longest (I couldn't tell you who holds that title for sure). The West Pacific has been, aside from a few notable periods, a peaceful, stable (if I may say so) region during his rule. He has done a good job and endorsed by the vast majority of WestPac nations.
Thank you for the interest in this, btw. Peace and stablity often equate to 'boring' and it seems like the WP isn't often a source of interest.
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Post by Berhampore on Mar 8, 2004 2:48:58 GMT -5
Surely in an election all candidates must start on a level playing field or it is no more than a show to appease of the masses? By NS game mechanics, that is of course impossible. Since we must play within the limitations of the game, we do the best we can to hold fair elections.
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Sir Paul
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Post by Sir Paul on Mar 8, 2004 2:51:56 GMT -5
How long is the election period?
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 8, 2004 2:52:08 GMT -5
An election help on an offsite forum, where informed voters could choose the candidate of their choice anonymously would work a lot better, be a lot fairer and maybe give somebody who wasn't standing delegate a chance of winning.
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Berhampore
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Post by Berhampore on Mar 8, 2004 2:57:44 GMT -5
Well, from now on elections will be over a period of three weeks - the current one (a 'special') started sometime around the New Year I think - maybe before (I was too involved in other matters to be sure when Darlin first announced).
We debated having elections in the offsite; it was decided it was not feasible. Endorsements are the one game mechanic we need to deal with, and that is impossible to translate effectively from the offsite and into the game. Another reason is that we can't expect all 600+ UN members in the WestPac to join the offsite to vote - they are already on NS and have already voted with their endorsement so why waste that resource?
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 8, 2004 3:08:27 GMT -5
If you wanted fair and informed elections, you could easily do them on an offsite board. Most of those 600 people don't matter since they would give their vote for anybody who asked, meaning all candidates. Therefore, the votes which swing the election would be the ones signed up to the board. This would stop the 600 vote head start the delegate has, which gives him almost certain victory.
This would also help stop the negative campaigning, seen by Norion lately, since he would not know who to lobby (as the vote would be anonymous).
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 8, 2004 9:52:20 GMT -5
I noticed a fair amount of interest regarding your 'election' from outside your region as well. I've been contacted by several known agitators asking whom I support. My response as always is that I'm an observer. Just as a friendly warning I'd suggest you try and implement some of the reforms the Senators are suggesting since all is not as well as you would suppose. I'd talk to Norion directly but he was rather curt with me and Gosstoepia as always can't get past his insane prejuidices making any rational communication impossible.
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Post by Berhampore on Mar 8, 2004 12:52:15 GMT -5
Election: The offsite election would, at best, limit the vote to about 30 or so - hardly democratic. That would trade one problem for another. I am of the opinion that an effective tgram campaign, allowed to run for several weeks, can more than make up for any advantage the Delegate may have. Recent history in the Pacific itself bears this out.
Danger: Yes, unofficial groups have been noted moving around the region. That would be unfortunate. I am confident that Darlin can drop the 100 endorsements quickly, however, making such annoyances harder to carry out.
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Unlimited
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 8, 2004 13:01:21 GMT -5
There is no limit. If people do not care enough to vote on the offsite forum, they do not care enough to choose a candidate to endorse.
By "effective telegram campaign", you mean something along the lines of. "If you endorse me, I will endorse you". Hardly a great premise for a leader. Whether the disadvantage can be made up or not is not the issue, the issue is that there is any disadvantage to begin with, hence, stacking the odds in favour of the delegate. I mean, I could build eat a bowl of shredded paper if I wanted to, it is possible, but this does not make it easy, or likely to happen.
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