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Post by Eaglesham on Jun 29, 2004 23:33:12 GMT -5
Why would a delegate announce NPO allegiance and link to this board but not post on it? Wouldn't such a person ask for a North Pacific forum, and a seat in the Senate? What possible advantage would there be to such a person in aligning with the BODY of the NPO (as opposed to the policies) without official recognition? Why wouldn't there be an official welcome of the North Pacific into the NPO? If he really wasn't already a member of the NPO government, why wouldn't our delegate just say so?
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Post by Pierconium on Jun 30, 2004 6:02:39 GMT -5
Maybe he has been busy?
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Post by Dark Citadel on Jun 30, 2004 6:05:11 GMT -5
Well i just hope that people don't continue saying that we are trying to take over more regions like some people say
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Post by Antigone Memorial on Jun 30, 2004 6:27:08 GMT -5
Why would a delegate announce NPO allegiance and link to this board but not post on it? Wouldn't such a person ask for a North Pacific forum, and a seat in the Senate? What possible advantage would there be to such a person in aligning with the BODY of the NPO (as opposed to the policies) without official recognition? Why wouldn't there be an official welcome of the North Pacific into the NPO? If he really wasn't already a member of the NPO government, why wouldn't our delegate just say so? The answers quite simple. He alread HAS a seat. As Sir Paul. A lot of evidence is circumstantial, but even a ton of feathers may crush a man.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Jun 30, 2004 9:24:52 GMT -5
It's not my delegate tyvm. It's not even my region!!! I'm stating a fact here. You people are trying to say that "we didn't have any involvement in this" and then Franco announces something like *that* If you are going to state how this is *good* for the North Pacific and "The North Pacific has crumbled under the weight of its own hypocrisy" you are incriminating yourselves so don't sit here and play innocent. And let me say, im not whining i'm pointing out facts. And why the hell would I want sympathy?? Where did I even ask for sympathy?? But instead of making little comments about who the NP is better and how they did it to themselves just state that you were involved and be done with it. You have not pointed out one iota of a fact. If this does not concern you, then why are getting involved? And you are whining.
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Post by Mudbay on Jun 30, 2004 9:35:25 GMT -5
If he is so busy, why bother announcing he was affiliating his region here?
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Jun 30, 2004 9:56:35 GMT -5
I don't mean to be terse, but have you ever been delegate of a feeder region? I think he is probably quite busy.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Jun 30, 2004 10:09:59 GMT -5
One of the denizens of the pacific lodged a concern about whether the Pacific was a peaceful region or a war-ridden one. Our Great Senator, Unlimited, posted a message that confirmed that we are a peaceful message. I replied with this:
This is, for the most part, a very peaceful region. The NPO official stance has, and probably shall always be, that any external threats to the sovereignty of the Pacific shall be treated as an enemy combatant and is subject to extreme measures. The NP has in the past been very aggressive towards this region.
It has been a long time since we have seen the Pacific as a battlefield, and we should rejoice in this Pax Pacifica. It appears to me that the NP delegate noticed our great government and wished to join us in our revolution. This is a moment of triumph, not a moment to be concerned. Trust your hearts and trust your leadership. The future of the NPO is now, and we should all be honored to witness this glorious occasion.
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Post by Black Adder on Jun 30, 2004 16:58:10 GMT -5
I find it odd that UPS Rail hasn't been online for what the game says is 21 hours yet the World factbook entry has been altered to include the former official boards hyperlink. Sounds like someone in moderation has been messing about, find that very interesting since officially the game doesn't recognize these off site boards. Lovely to see the full extent of corruption inherent in the system.
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Post by Loop on Jun 30, 2004 17:26:51 GMT -5
Very interesting there, especially consodering during the Heartland Invasion and the ones thereafter it was established that the Mods were not to modify factbooks unless they were announcing actions taken after a region was blasted, or removing pr0n.
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Post by tsunamy on Jun 30, 2004 19:40:03 GMT -5
You have not pointed out one iota of a fact. If this does not concern you, then why are getting involved? And you are whining. Why am I getting involved? Hm let me see. Because I feel like it. I've never terribly gotten along with the NPO. I have nothing against Franco infact all my dealings with Franco have been quiet good. It's other members of the NPO I don't perticularally like and/or trust. *Waves at BA* Therefore, before you bring the fight to my doorstep, I'm fighting for TNP against you kinda folks here. Anyhow, Warrior, can you please explain to everyone why both UPS Rails and Sir Paul's IP locate to the same town? I simply found that interesting. Maybe they are neighbors and never knew it. Oh my I think someone should introduce them. **And btw, the location of both of the individuals is my "iota" of fact.
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Post by Anti Pharisaism on Jun 30, 2004 21:11:12 GMT -5
An IP address leading to a city the size of Bakersfield, one of the largest in California, means two residents play this game. Nothing more.
Since AP, given its current situation, does not believe in indictment by IP address, The Empire did some reconnaissance work. Comparing the tone and content of statements made by Sir Paul and UPS Rail.
By doing so, AP made several discoveries of similar tone & content.
For Example: From Sir Paul, I) What is NationStates / the Pacific / NPO? 1) NationStates – Marketing gone wrong. Paragraph 2:
Since nations can’t directly invade each other, to fulfill this primal need, some role play (RP) scenarios, where they use their nation’s stats to build armies, and then launch millions of nuclear war heads at each other from their orbital space platforms.
From UPS, poster whoring exercise: I was not into that role playing aspect, I am going to launch millions of nuclear war heads at you from my orbital space platforms.
This, coupled with the illegal activity of IP Stalking, is enough to convince AP that they are one in the same. Though this is also highly circumstantial.
Sidenote: Please remove all references to this person's IP address. Such references are an invasion of privacy. Disclosure without due cause is prohibited. (A game is not due Cause)
Whether or not The North Pacific will be free upon the removal of UPS, or was ever free for that matter, is still up for debate.
The Oligarchy removed from power is the most vocal opponent of UPS Rail, and is seeking quick re-ascension.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Jul 1, 2004 12:09:03 GMT -5
Tsunamy, the above post is more factual than what you have been bringing to the table. Look at the analysis. It appears more objective than what you and a few others have brought forth.
However, I should point out that it is no smoking gun.
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Post by CaerRialis on Jul 1, 2004 17:10:48 GMT -5
I find it odd that UPS Rail hasn't been online for what the game says is 21 hours yet the World factbook entry has been altered to include the former official boards hyperlink. Sounds like someone in moderation has been messing about, find that very interesting since officially the game doesn't recognize these off site boards. Lovely to see the full extent of corruption inherent in the system. I agree....something does seem fishy about that. . . .the whole matter of UPS Rail and the NP joining the NPO seems off, somewhere. I am sure that even the most loyal members of the NPO would recognize this fact, whether the allegations made are true or false. Now, BA, not to sound a complete ass, I realize why you are vehemently asking for more proof to allegations about UPS being Sir Paul. I certainly would if someone accused a member of my region of doing the same. Still, I think that you would agree that, deserving or not, there are many influential members of the NS community who distrust the NPO and your leader, Francos Spain. Personally, I do not know enough of the NPO or FS to make a decision over them on my own (Don't really play on the NS boards, you see...and where did they disappear to, with the server change?). But others, as you can clearly see, are unconvinced. Perhaps one of the members of the NPO Senate or Francos Spain himself might step forward to clearly deny the allegations over UPS Rail/Sir Paul or that this was not forced expansion, then tempers would ease and a better spirit of cooperation might ensue? Again, only a suggestion. No disrespect is meant, if any occured. Caer Rialis
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Post by Black Adder on Jul 1, 2004 17:26:58 GMT -5
I appreciate the tone Caer Rialis, here's my issue with the whole producing of evidence. The evidence is rather damning on the face of it but at the same time entirely circumstantial. For us to forward the required evidence to clear this up leaves us in a no win situation. We refuse to surrender sovereignity to the Met, the ADN and everyone else demanding this. We are not a vassal state and the very people now demanding cooperation have historically held us at arm's length, demeaned us, attacked us and conspired against us. Why would we assist them after we've been rebuffed so often? Particularily over the state of affairs in a region who consistently conspired to attack us and outright attacked us unprovoked on the basis of some political refugees from a deposed, corrupt former government?
If we assist them then we surrender to the demands of those who are in league against us. Where does it end? We are not going to bend to anyone's will at the end of a bayonet.
We tried to make peace and they mocked us. Now they have the gall to insist we cooperate? No. Until Franco and the Senate decide otherwise again No, No and No.
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