Creation of Public Defenders Office/Ombudsman

[Sir Paul]

Perhaps the Pacific needs a public defenders office, someone who is familiar with the Civil Code for Uniform Justice and Order in the Pacific and the appeals process. This person would inform the accused of their rights, advise them on preparing a case, and inform them when their sentences of exile or probation are expired (if it is not a life sentence). The position of public defender would also go a long way to dispelling the myth that the pacific is a region of tyranny. The public defender would also be an ombudsman, a government official who investigates citizens' complaints against the government or its functionaries. This would ensure that the people of the Pacific would be free, and discredit the spam by RR and PA.

[Abysseria]

sirpaul said:

Perhaps the Pacific needs a public defenders office, someone who is familiar with the Civil Code for Uniform Justice and Order in the Pacific and the appeals process. This person would inform the accused of their rights, advise them on preparing a case, and inform them when their sentences of exile or probation are expired (if it is not a life sentence). The position of public defender would also go a long way to dispelling the myth that the pacific is a region of tyranny. The public defender would also be an ombudsman, a government official who investigates citizens' complaints against the government or its functionaries. This would ensure that the people of the Pacific would be free, and discredit the spam by RR and PA.

As a newer member of Nation States, but one who is not viewed as closely associated or allied with Francos and others, I'd gladly help in this capacity.

[Warrior Thorin]

I don't understand why there would not be anything less than a life sentence for breaking Francos' law. In that case, I don't even see a need for a public defender. If you have done nothing wrong, you have no need to hide behind some shifty lawyer who only wishes to twist the language of the law to benefit his client. I fear that if we go down this path, it will be the beginning of a slippery slope that we'll never be able to correct. There is a senate which people can lodge complaints to, is there not? Or am I just being delusional?

[Sir Paul]

Call me a softy, but I do believe people deserve another chance. Even Lesser Cambodia dabbled with enemies of Francos Spain during the age of Chaos, but is now loyal to the NPO. With regard to taking complaints to the senators, several of them are involved with the secret police. I believe that there needs to be an office that is for the accused separate from the office that accuses.

[Unlimited]

A public defender gathers evidence for the defence. Since this is quite impossible in NS without access to the logs, there is no use for a public defender.
All we can do is place our trust in the NPO. Trust which, I feel, is well placed.

A second chance has to be earned, if they were handed out for no reason, there would be no incentive to avoid the first offence. Laws are there for a reason, the innocent have nothing to fear.

[BertramStantrous]

sirpaul said:

Perhaps the Pacific needs a public defenders office, someone who is familiar with the Civil Code for Uniform Justice and Order in the Pacific and the appeals process. This person would inform the accused of their rights, advise them on preparing a case, and inform them when their sentences of exile or probation are expired (if it is not a life sentence). The position of public defender would also go a long way to dispelling the myth that the pacific is a region of tyranny. The public defender would also be an ombudsman, a government official who investigates citizens' complaints against the government or its functionaries. This would ensure that the people of the Pacific would be free, and discredit the spam by RR and PA.

This would only make the process more cluttered and inefficient. People have the ability to make their case on this very forum, so what point would there be for an "ombudsman?"

[Sir Paul]

You're right Bertram Stantrous, since people are able to take their cases directly to court, a public defender is not necessary. In the interest of efficiency, I withdraw my suggestion.

[Deringstan]

SirPaul, I'm from the dutch part of Belgium and we know the word Ombudsman (although in a slightly other way) you wouldn't happen to be dutch/flemish? Or do you know that word also overseas?

[Sir Paul]

I know that an ombudsman is a position, usually in Scandinavian countries, who's job is to the the "champion of the people." They investige complaints and make suggestions, like telling the US postal service to stay open after 5:00 pm.

I'm actually from California, and no, we don't have that position.

[Deringstan]

Yes, exactly although Belgium isn't a part of Scandinavia.

[Mars Sara]

While I agree that adding another office would clutter the appeals process, I do think that citizens of the Pacific should be made more aware of the civil code and their rights; it would do much to silence those who say we are under 'tyrannical' rule.

[BertramStantrous]

Either that, or we would get more people sending telegrams to Francos's endorsers with our Civil code pasted to it, in the hopes that they will unendorse him.

[Magungas]

Mars said:

. . . I do think that citizens of the Pacific should be made more aware of the civil code and their rights; it would do much to silence those who say we are under 'tyrannical' rule.

Mars Sara, I couldn't agree with you more that more nations of the Pacific should know about the civil code of "justice." I also think BertramStantrous accurately realizes that such knowledge may very well lead to a waining of support for FS.

Regarding your implication that the Pacific is not under 'tyrannical rule, let me provide you with some definitions of tyranny (from the OED):

tyranny(n): 1. The government of a tyrant or absolute ruler; the position or rule of a tyrant.
(b) In general sense: Absolute sovereignty.
2. A state ruled by a tyrant or absolute prince; an absolute or despotic government.
3. Arbitrary or oppressive exercise of power.

The civil code limits freedom of expression and freedom of association. Its provisions are vague and FS has unfettered power, and uses it arbitrarily and without due process to eject any nation he wishes. You and your compatriots may characterize it as being for the good of the pacific, but it is a tyranny nonetheless.

[Tar A]

Magungas said:

Mars Sara, I couldn't agree with you more that more nations of the Pacific should know about the civil code of "justice." I also think BertramStantrous accurately realizes that such knowledge may very well lead to a waining of support for FS.

Right. Because quoting this civil code to everyone has so clearly decreased support in the Pacific, naturally accounting for the gain of 30 endorsements in about two updates.

AND instead of the arbitrary rule of the other Pacifics, Francos has made clear what he means for the Pacific and how he intends to make it a better place. Say what you like about democracy or tyranny, truth is, the Pacific's a great place to live.

[BertramStantrous]

Magungas said:

Mars Sara, I couldn't agree with you more that more nations of the Pacific should know about the civil code of "justice." I also think BertramStantrous accurately realizes that such knowledge may very well lead to a waining of support for FS.

Regarding your implication that the Pacific is not under 'tyrannical rule, let me provide you with some definitions of tyranny (from the OED):

tyranny(n): 1. The government of a tyrant or absolute ruler; the position or rule of a tyrant.
(b) In general sense: Absolute sovereignty.
2. A state ruled by a tyrant or absolute prince; an absolute or despotic government.
3. Arbitrary or oppressive exercise of power.

The civil code limits freedom of expression and freedom of association. Its provisions are vague and FS has unfettered power, and uses it arbitrarily and without due process to eject any nation he wishes. You and your compatriots may characterize it as being for the good of the pacific, but it is a tyranny nonetheless.

What's the matter? Is it too hard for people to NOT insult each other and to NOT make objectionable nation names? Like "Juvenile Penis Names?" Real nation, by the way.