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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 20, 2004 18:41:13 GMT -5
I think that one of my favorite things that was non fiction was learning to read and speak the Cherokee Language. I wish that they had the symbols of the Syllabary online, but I have yet to find it. Also the book, In the Meantime by Iyanla Vanzant, it was a great one. I got my hands on it right after the last mess I was in
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Wabu-Dhati
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Post by Wabu-Dhati on Mar 20, 2004 20:09:41 GMT -5
Books *I* like?
The Prince, Macchiavelli
Northworld, Drake
Zorro (The original, blast the movie's eyes!)
Das Kapital, Marx
Beyond Good and Evil, Neitzche
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 21, 2004 0:04:55 GMT -5
All right, call me uncultered or whatever, I don't care, I hate Crime and Punishment and refuse to touch any more Russian lit. Edit: not refuse to touch so much as have a bias against it. I also disliked The Communist Manifesto and The Condition of the Working Class when we had to read them for history. Whoa Tar. I didn't mean to insinuate you were uncultured. Quite the opposite. I understand your aversion given the forced reading, Profs will do that to you. It took me 5 years after an English Lit class to crack Great Expectations again I was so disgusted with the Prof and the view he was forcing. I hope your aversion lessens over time. I rather feel like the Prince in 'the Idiot' much of the time. That and Lord Jim trying to escape. But then Conrad was Polish not Russian......
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Post by Abysseria on Mar 22, 2004 9:22:29 GMT -5
I just finished Screwtape Letters last night - a fantastic book. Maybe I should start all my posts with, "My Dear Wormwood."
I'm torn about what to pick up next. Perhaps Rocket Boys?
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 22, 2004 23:49:49 GMT -5
If you have not read it yet, I suggest Jennifer Government, just read it last week and it was a great read.
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Post by Maliundis on Mar 23, 2004 15:08:45 GMT -5
I like the Dune books.
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Post by Tar A on Mar 24, 2004 2:16:30 GMT -5
Whoa Tar. I didn't mean to insinuate you were uncultured. Quite the opposite. I understand your aversion given the forced reading, Profs will do that to you. It took me 5 years after an English Lit class to crack Great Expectations again I was so disgusted with the Prof and the view he was forcing. I hope your aversion lessens over time. I rather feel like the Prince in 'the Idiot' much of the time. That and Lord Jim trying to escape. But then Conrad was Polish not Russian...... No worries I was talking to the entire thread about their professed love for Russian lit... really must learn not to post when half asleep (er wait, that would disqualify my from being able to post right now... )
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Post by Abysseria on Mar 24, 2004 8:58:25 GMT -5
I'm thinking of starting Pawn of the Prophecy by Eddings again, just for fun
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 24, 2004 10:28:24 GMT -5
well now if we had to be fully awake to post here, um yep I would certainly be in trouble.....on all the boards ;D
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Post by SuuKyi on Mar 24, 2004 10:37:21 GMT -5
I think that one of my favorite things that was non fiction was learning to read and speak the Cherokee Language. I wish that they had the symbols of the Syllabary online, but I have yet to find it. Wow Milady! Did not know that you learned to do that. I once had the letters and guide on a large postcard picked up in Oklahoma. I'll keep an eye out for it. You know the Cherokee created this written alphabet to meet criteria as a "civilization" in order to prevent deportation from their ancestral lands in North Carolina. The U.S. Supreme court backed them up on it but then President Andrew Jackson commited a most impeachable act in dismissing the court ruling (Telling the Supreme court judges to "enforce it" themselves.) and started the Cherokee on the first leg of the Trail of Tears. My old house in Murfreesboro Tennessee was about two miles off of this trail route. I loved the "Screwtape letters" and most of Clive S. Lewis's writings. Screwtape and "That Hideous Strength" (Ending of a trilogy: "Perelandra and Out of the Silent Planet.") as well as parts of the Chronicles of Narnia were full of prolific insight into both the weaknesses and strengths of human character. Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" was an abyssmal read if read for "entertainment" but was quite an eye opener for the stark reality of the 19'th century Russian. It was essentially a prequel to "GULag Archipelago." There is other good Russian Literature. Much of it depressing such as "The death of Ivan Ilyich" by Leo Tolstoy but there is much insight in these writings as well and while the subject matter may be depressing, the manner in which is treated, can be quite inspirational. I remember another Tolstoy writing (title forgotten) about a noble and his servant who get caught out in a blizzard on their sledge and how the noble considers his life status and station and eventually lies down atop his hypothermic servant to conserve the servant's body heat and dies for him. Russian classical music is awesome and does a much better job of reflecting and glorifying these struggles. The 1812 overture, so prominent in American independence celebrations is really one exalting in the the defeat of the Napoleon's Grand Army near Moscow.
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 24, 2004 10:48:27 GMT -5
Oh yes the Trail. I really do not like that part of the American History. Mainfest Destiny be screwed, the Government really did a job on a beautiful culture. Of course being part Iroquois myself, I have quite a bit to say about that matter. But it is not nice at all The saddest thing these days, to me, is the fact that the Indian(I so hate that term) Tribes are now consildating to keep their voices heard. The ones that are recongized more these days are the Cherokee, Cheyenne, Apache, Comanche, and Apache. The Shoshone and Paiute have joined with the Cherokee, when they were enemies at one point in history. anyway enough.........oh man don't get me started again on this one
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Post by Abysseria on Mar 24, 2004 15:06:14 GMT -5
You know the Cherokee created this written alphabet to meet criteria as a "civilization" in order to prevent deportation from their ancestral lands in North Carolina. The U.S. Supreme court backed them up on it but then President Andrew Jackson commited a most impeachable act in dismissing the court ruling (Telling the Supreme court judges to "enforce it" themselves.) and started the Cherokee on the first leg of the Trail of Tears. My old house in Murfreesboro Tennessee was about two miles off of this trail route. Not to be a stickler, but technically we do not have to follow the rulings of the court. The constitution does not require us to abide by their rulings. They took that right upon themselves in the Miranda case, I believe. So really, Jackson did have the right to tell the court to jump in a lake. Now before everyone else gets all up on me for this, I'm not saying I agree with him, just that he could do it if he chose to! Best regards, Abysseria
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 24, 2004 15:32:32 GMT -5
Yes he had the right and excerised it, causing damage to a proud people, just for the dream of Manifest Denisty.
If the Tribes had not been so trusting, then it would be a different story today.
Many of the so called Treaties that the American Government signed with the Tribes was with the blood of those Tribes, then they turned around and broke them, time and again.
Cheif Towanka stated it best, "When we give up the fight, no one is free."
How sad it is to me that they did not really give up the fight, but that they were forced into compliance.
To this day the Nation of the American Indian Tribes are dieing out within the Nation of the United States, just because no one saw fit to hold true to the treaties that, by law and honor they should have held to.
*Wanders out of the stream muttering to self, enough, enough, enough.........get off the dang soapbox*
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Post by TBAN on Mar 24, 2004 19:08:41 GMT -5
I liked the Harry Potter series.
Hated Crime and Punishment thought the ending was a cop-out. Opps guess I just showed my age.
The Prophet was good.
I like Confessions of the mask by Myshima (spelling?)
I have read most of the stuff S. King has written
I loved most of Micheal Critton's work
I thought Jeniffer Government was great.
There was a decent comedy I read called The Deal.
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Post by Desetland on Mar 24, 2004 19:29:28 GMT -5
Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card rocks!
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