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Post by mussolandia on Mar 11, 2004 17:19:12 GMT -5
Today, around 190 people died in Madrid due to coordinated terrorist attacks on trains.
Two hypotheses are being studied as to who committed these atrocious crimes. The first and most likely one attributes the attack to ETA, a Basque separatist group which wants to force the government into recognising the independence of this region. The second one links it to Al-Qaeda, as Spain is an ally of the U.S.A. in its campaign agaisnt terrorism.
I was deeply shocked by the announcement, as I like Spain very much and profoundly admire the achievements of the Spanish people.
The world faces a serious threat of disintegration from terrorism. It is sad that some "people" (and I put this on quotation marks because I don't quite agree with this classification) can resort to these measures and inflict the most cowardly type of attack on innocent people.
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 11, 2004 18:24:36 GMT -5
This news saddens me deeply, I hope that the families of the people lost will be alright. I also pray for a safe and peaceful journey to those that are no longer with us.
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Post by Lactating Nuns on Mar 11, 2004 18:25:55 GMT -5
Today, around 190 people died in Madrid due to coordinated terrorist attacks on trains. Two hypotheses are being studied as to who committed these atrocious crimes. The first and most likely one attributes the attack to ETA, a Basque separatist group which wants to force the government into recognising the independence of this region. The second one links it to Al-Qaeda, as Spain is an ally of the U.S.A. in its campaign agaisnt terrorism. I was deeply shocked by the announcement, as I like Spain very much and profoundly admire the achievements of the Spanish people. The world faces a serious threat of disintegration from terrorism. It is sad that some "people" (and I put this on quotation marks because I don't quite agree with this classification) can resort to these measures and inflict the most cowardly type of attack on innocent people. Yeah, pretty terrible. It just makes you wonder how people can be capable of this sort of thing. It's pretty un-nerving, like how an entire nation can be accomplice to genocide. Human nature has a very dark side to it. But don't worry about the world disintegrating from terrorism. Remember the reaction right after 9/11? If anything, the world became stronger after that. Humans may be dark, but we're also pretty awesome, too. I'm proud to be a human with all my strengths and weaknesses. It's good to be alive, which is definitely something to remember when confronted with death.
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Post by Sir Paul on Mar 12, 2004 2:17:06 GMT -5
My best friend's uncle works one block from the train station, and takes that train to work every day, but he didn't have to come in early the day of the explosions.
It's funny how one little part of your day can alter the rest of your life.
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Post by Dark Citadel on Mar 12, 2004 7:52:00 GMT -5
That is pretty messed up, it does seem like these sort of things have been happening way too often.
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Post by Ceaser on Mar 12, 2004 8:14:22 GMT -5
these attacks are just plane awful, these extremeists groups are making themselves and their cause look bad. I hope the world comes together to fight these evil people.
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Post by Dark Citadel on Mar 12, 2004 8:16:08 GMT -5
Thats a good point, these people aren't getting any closer to their goals by doing stuff like this
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Post by SuuKyi on Mar 12, 2004 10:21:35 GMT -5
I saw this on the news yesterday and though innurred by bad news in general still found this extremely horrifying and lamented the mental state of the "enemy" the civilized world faces. Although the ETA separatists have bombed and killed before, this act was way beyond their capabilities. They had major help or it was someone else entirely.
I feel very badly for the Spanish people and wish them the strength to pick up the pieces and live on.
I also echo Lactating Nuns words about people being at their best when things are worst. In time too, this enemy is going to regret the day they finally unify the world to exterminate them and their cause.
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Post by mussolandia on Mar 12, 2004 12:04:03 GMT -5
Spain now analyses the electoral impact of this event (they have elections on Sunday).
Perhaps you may know about this, but in any case, if tracks lead onto an ETA carried attack, then the Socialists will be affected (an ally of the Socialists in the region of Catalunya had signed an illegal truce with ETA). If this was an Islam-motivated attack, then the governing party will be affected.
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Post by Abysseria on Mar 12, 2004 12:33:39 GMT -5
I find it hard to accept that any group of people can find their cause so desperate as to resort to violence. Nothing is worth destroying human life. Human life is the ultimate sanctifying gift we have all been given.
Clearly, I'm a pacifist in real life. Please do not misunderstand me. I can appreciate and support concepts like self defense from an aggressor, but I do not support aggressive violence, especially when it takes human life.
I will put the people of Spain in my prayers this evening, both the victims and the criminals, for they too are clearly in need of prayer. It is a sorrowful time.
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 12, 2004 16:09:56 GMT -5
I wish I could think of it that way Abysseria, but my prayers for the people who do this sort of thing are that they are caught quickly. The worse thing, I suppose, is knowing that if they are caught, they will certainly wish and pray for death to kiss their lips.
Maybe I need to stop and think about it a little more.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Mar 12, 2004 16:16:15 GMT -5
Spain now analyses the electoral impact of this event (they have elections on Sunday). Perhaps you may know about this, but in any case, if tracks lead onto an ETA carried attack, then the Socialists will be affected (an ally of the Socialists in the region of Catalunya had signed an illegal truce with ETA). If this was an Islam-motivated attack, then the governing party will be affected. No doubt, this was a very well-thought out attack. It's horrible that this kind of thing can go on today. My thoughts and prayers will certainly go with the victims, but as for the culprits, may they rot in hell!
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Post by mussolandia on Mar 14, 2004 16:27:35 GMT -5
Well, it seems the Socialists have won in Spain. I have to confess I wanted the government party to win (they represent my political ideology). However, the most frightening conclusion I draw from this is that the terrorists have managed to incline an election result. If this is what they were looking for, they got it.
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Post by Fox-Salisbury on Mar 15, 2004 2:42:58 GMT -5
Well, it seems the Socialists have won in Spain. I have to confess I wanted the government party to win (they represent my political ideology). However, the most frightening conclusion I draw from this is that the terrorists have managed to incline an election result. If this is what they were looking for, they got it. We don't know that though. After all, the Spanish people may have disagreed with the Government before the bombings, maybe even over Iraq. That's the issue, this bombing had all the hallmarks of Al Qaeda and there is more evidence to point at them than ETA (the simultaneous explosions, the connectors being copper rather than aluminium which is what ETA uses, the tape left in a van of detonators that has a Morrocan woman's voice on it, the fact that Al Qaeda admit that it was them and ETA deny any involvement). Therefore, if Spain got attacked just before an election, who's to say the same won't happen in Britain, the US, Turkey until the leaders who have waged war with a (relatively) innocent nation are ousted. I know Saddam Hussein wasn't a good guy but at least the leaders could have admitted it was to get rid of him or to get oil. That way Tony Blair wouldn't have needed to have lied about WMDs.
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Post by Unlimited on Mar 15, 2004 2:56:26 GMT -5
I don't trust any evidence like that tape that turns up. It stinks of the Koran that supposedly survived 9/11. The explosion incinerates a jumbo jet and a skyscraper, but a book and passport survive? No, that and the tape are out in my opinion.
Also, Al Queda still deny 9/11 (as far as I know), and there are probably 20 different groups trying to claim the bombing, admissions mean nothing.
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