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Post by Abysseria on Nov 19, 2003 8:38:45 GMT -5
I'm noticed a marked decrease in spam since I first arrived in the game. And going back to the whole democracy issue; democracy in the Pacific is carried out on the regional boards and in this forum, where the people have their voice, not by a rapid succession of leaders who can do nothing for the region. Another good argument for the social contract we've created.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Nov 25, 2003 15:51:26 GMT -5
I'm noticed a marked decrease in spam since I first arrived in the game. And going back to the whole democracy issue; democracy in the Pacific is carried out on the regional boards and in this forum, where the people have their voice, not by a rapid succession of leaders who can do nothing for the region. Yes, I definitely agree. I'm a little troubled by people deciding that endorsement swapping is akin to democracy. I don't think it is because I have seen the telegrams of those people. Some threaten me, some promise me outlandish positions, etc. Deceit and coercion do not seem to be a condition of true democracy. This is why I take the action that I do concerning those idiots. I think we need to let newer nations know that they need to take endorsements seriously.
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Post by Neo Dystopia on Nov 25, 2003 23:01:56 GMT -5
I have to say that I also dislike the practice of endorsement swapping. To me, nations that agree to swap endorsements with another that they know nothing about are fools. However, it is a legal practice in the game so nations should not be punished for doing it.
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Nov 26, 2003 14:33:24 GMT -5
I have to say that I also dislike the practice of endorsement swapping. To me, nations that agree to swap endorsements with another that they know nothing about are fools. However, it is a legal practice in the game so nations should not be punished for doing it. Well, yes that is true, but our government has decreed a civil code to remain in this region. There are many other regions in NS that have rules that nations have to abide by to remain there. So, the enforcement of the Civil Code should not be controversial at all. The bottom line is, when you think deeply about it, endorsement swapping is rather irresponsible. It may seem innocent at first blush, but it can lead to deleterious effects, such as allowing some immature punk to gain the delegate position and destroy the stability of the region. Imagine what life would be like around here with Corinthe as the delegate (which almost happened once as I understand it)! I am 100% steadfast in agreeing that the practice of endorsement swapping is wrong insofar as it undermines the stability of this region.
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Post by Tar A on Nov 26, 2003 16:31:14 GMT -5
Imagine what life would be like around here with Corinthe as the delegate (which almost happened once as I understand it)! I can see it now... Corinthe gets flamed by some of those immature spammers (you know the type : and starts crying. So her parents ground from the computer and the entire region collapses into anarchy. Oh yes, Corinthe for delegate! Re: endorsement swapping. Every other Pacific delegate prohibits endorsement swapping, why use this to cast aspersions on ours? Ernlav participated in endorsement swapping and now there's a huge stink in the west pacific, while they hide behind the term 'election' all they're doing is launching a massive propoganda campaign against Ernlav and his endorsement swapping... And to fight fire with fire, endorsement swapping is how Francos got the seat in the first place. I bet you anything that if the PA got their hands on our region, the first thing they'd do is outlaw endorsement swapping.
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Post by Mars Sara on Nov 26, 2003 17:54:58 GMT -5
More than that; they'd start a regime that's ACTUALLY despotic. There's no way the PA would be able to maintain power peacefully, as Francos has, and it'd just end up a big mess. I have no doubt the PA's rules for the Pacific would be much, much more restrictive than the NPO's.
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Post by Abysseria on Nov 27, 2003 0:27:26 GMT -5
Agreed. The Pacific Army is already trying to manipulate nations into solidifying Savage's rule in that region by locking down the delegacy and trying to empty the region. Typical.
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Poskrebyshev
Senator / Minister of Security / Grand Viceroy of the Pacific
/ First Officer of Diplomacy and Foreign Affairs / Governor of Province 'P'
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Post by Poskrebyshev on Dec 11, 2003 21:09:31 GMT -5
The idea of democracy in a region larger than 50 members in NationStates is impossible.
The former Pacific rulers only had one argument that would allow them to claim the NPO was anymore despotic than their regime. They called Franco a despot for using his ability to ban, an ability that the game moderators ruled he had the right to use as he willed.
It was Thedoc's indecision regarding the ban function that led to fall of he and his fellow compatriots in the Pacific. Obviously, if the tables were turned, and the Theodoc's regime had overthrown the NPO, they would be just as quick to banish nations that used their ruthless and annoying tactics to seek revenge against those that won out thanks to their superior leadership.
On the topic of endorsement swapping, it cannot be doubted that Thedoc, when he was Pacific Delegate, with his hundreds of endorsers, gained the majority of them via a single telegram. The NPO would never outlaw endorsement-swapping as a tactic, it is the goal of such tactics that we're interested in fighting against.
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Post by Neo Dystopia on Dec 11, 2003 23:02:08 GMT -5
The idea of democracy in a region larger than 50 members in NationStates is impossible. I would say difficult, but not impossible. They called Franco a despot for using his ability to ban, an ability that the game moderators ruled he had the right to use as he willed. Yes, it is definately within the rules of the game to be despotic. Banning has always and will always be a contentious issue in NS. I would say that the degree to which banning is used and the reasons behind it is what defines a delegate as a dictator or not. I'm not saying it shouldn't be used at all, that would be naive, but I do think its use should be limited.
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Post by Zuchinni on Dec 15, 2003 11:59:49 GMT -5
Upon learning that 'Endorsement swapping' is illegal in the pacific, I must make known that just before Francois Spane was recently deposed as our U.N. delegate, Poskrebyshev did indeed endorse my nation and asked if I'd endorse his/her nation as well in return.
I immediately upin learning this was an illegal act have unendorsed Poskrebyshev .
I call for an immediate inquiry into this illegal activity and urge all those that may have also been duped into endorsing Poskrebyshev to recall their endorsement.
The Most Serene Republic of Zuchinni
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Post by Brezhnev on Dec 15, 2003 12:54:02 GMT -5
Poskrebyshev is just taking over for a few days while Francos takes a vacation. Poskrebyshev is basically the Vice President of the Pacific.
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Post by Abysseria on Dec 15, 2003 12:54:36 GMT -5
This is a planned government action, not a case of endorsement swapping.
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Post by Zuchinni on Dec 15, 2003 13:16:41 GMT -5
Government Action? Is the government allowed to break it's own rules?
I don't have the original message anymore, but it was worded almost exactly like the dozen or so other messages I've recieved asking for endorsements. The only difference was that Poskrebyshev endorsed me first in order to get my own endorsement. As a newer member of the U.N., I had at the time never heard of Poskrebyshev.
The Most Serene Republic of Zuchinni
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Post by Black Adder on Dec 15, 2003 14:38:55 GMT -5
And again we assure you this was for the best. Delegate of a mega region is an awesome responsibility which requires much diligence. Francos is taking a well deserved rest while comrade Poskrebyshev guides the behemoth of an organization which is the NPO.
If this is a misguided attempt to sow some discord by pointing out a non violation of rules perhaps your energies would be better directed elsewhere. Notice I haven't branded you a Menshevik but you could definitely be percieved as one should you continue this tact.
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Post by Zuchinni on Dec 15, 2003 15:12:24 GMT -5
That's all well and good and I accept your explanation after reading more on these boards.
But, threats after only my second post? Labeled as a Menshevik? How does that apply?
Menshevik. A member of the liberal faction of the Social Democratic Party that struggled against the Bolsheviks before and during the Russian Revolution. [Russian meaning: less (from their relegation by Lenin to minority status).
The Most Serene Republic of Zuchinni has been offended.
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