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Post by Argyres on Jul 20, 2004 5:55:38 GMT -5
It is unfortunately true that historically the NPO has in fact been much more civil towards foreign ambassadors than the Meritocracy. Welcome Moldavi It is unfortunately true that RC tried to turn an informal agreement I made with him as a friend into a treaty, while trying to get Senatorial IPs from me because of his own suspicions. It is unfortunately true that the Meritocracy was the organization that first exchanged ambassadors* with the NPO. Certainly there are elements in the Senate that disapprove of and actively combat the NPO, but the Senate proved to be open-minded. Spare me your syncophantic crap. *Incidentally, Mammothistan has asked to be made ambassador to the Meritocracy, as the current representatives are apparently busy. If someone could confirm that this is ok, or that he has the ability to decide this on his own we can fix his mask. Thanks!
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Post by Argyres on Jul 20, 2004 5:56:44 GMT -5
Thank you for the kind words Black Adder. I do not take threats to my regions lightly. Nor should you. If possible, could you outline for me what's going on?
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Post by Black Adder on Jul 20, 2004 6:06:06 GMT -5
It is unfortunately true that the Meritocracy was the organization that first exchanged ambassadors* with the NPO. Odd choice of words. Is this a typo or a genuine reflection? I believe you mean Sycophantic but I don't really see where he was flattering anyone. Or is this in reference to actions elsewhere?
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Post by Antigone Memorial on Jul 20, 2004 6:17:01 GMT -5
I thought Sycophantic was more out-and-out sucking up then just flattery.....
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Post by Argyres on Jul 20, 2004 6:22:59 GMT -5
BA-
Re your first point, I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at. I was trying to point out the Meritocracy (despite the biases inherent in having dual-citizens) has been rather open-minded. I also wanted to know if Mammothistan is indeed the new Ambassador to the Senate, as I can then fix his permission mask to allow him to speak in the Foreign Discussions section of our board.
Anyway, as for second point, yes that's what I meant. I apologize for spelling it wrong, I am currently at work, so my typing is more rushed than usual (ALT+TAB only works for so long).
What I was referring to was the fact that on the entire Meritocratic board, I can find him making no similar statement, despite the fact he participated in the thread where RC was indeed attacked by several senators (though how he deems it appropriate to then attribute the behavior to the Meritocracy at-large is beyond me).
Instead, he chooses to criticize his fellow Senators in a foreign forum where he has already decided to spend most of his time in an effort to gain a position of authority (a governorship, last I checked). If he truly felt this way, he ought to say so to his compatriots before bad mouthing the Meritocracy.
EDIT:
I need to ammend my statement to include the fact that Sarda IS the Deputy in charge of the Foreign Diplomatic Corps, and as such has at least some passing responsibility in this arena, yet he has not offered any opinion or insight into what he believes is and is not an appropriate manner with which to talk to ambassadors.
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Post by Black Adder on Jul 20, 2004 6:27:31 GMT -5
Ah, I see.
What I was wondering about in the first quote highlighted that you seemingly chose to say it was unfortunate that the Met was the first to exchange ambassadors with the NPO. The general tone seemed negative that it had actually occurred. Perhaps I'm being over sensitive.
Antigone, perhaps it would be better if you started a thread about all the people you don't like instead of trampling over Sparrow's thread to let loose your usual trolls against people you don't like. It is considered their territory here.
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Post by Argyres on Jul 20, 2004 6:30:06 GMT -5
When I'm typing so quickly I tend to make such mistakes, my apologies. In any case, this is not the thread for my comments, and apologize for that as well, particularly to Moldavi who is a friend of mine. Have some ouzo on my behalf, Senator \~/
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Post by Antigone Memorial on Jul 20, 2004 6:33:25 GMT -5
It was a genuine question, not trolling. Bit I wil be silent here now.
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Post by Moldavi on Jul 20, 2004 6:36:46 GMT -5
Senator Argyres I assume the last couple of paragraphs of your statement to refer to our friend Senator Sarda.
As to your question regarding the ADN:
I opened an Embassy here Sunday night (July 18th) after conferring with several members of New Sparrow's government that it would be wholly justified as we have maintained a neutral stance in the ongoing ADN/NPO conflict(s).
Upon checking in yesterday at the ADN forum I was informed that I have been labelled by some as a traitor and had my status as Advisor to the ADN (something I have been for quite a while, since my tenure as Prosecutor General and Secretary of State ended).
At this point I asked whom my accusers were since no one there has the courage to address me directly.
I have yet to receive a reply.
Then a couple of nations posted on the New Sparrow Embassy in the ADN that we are traitors.
We are not even members of the ADN any longer. Their encroachment on regional sovereignty led to that development a while back. We have maintained "allied" status for a while now but are not subject to their laws. Thus their claims of us being traitorous are absurd. We are a sovereign region and can have communication with any group we choose.
At this point I officially closed the New Sparrow Embassy at the ADN.
Today our regions have been threatened militarily by a high level member of the ADN. I have been basically given an ultimatum that if we pursue relations with the NPO that New Sparrow is subject to reprisal from the ADN.
That is unacceptable and will not stand.
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Post by Argyres on Jul 20, 2004 6:42:22 GMT -5
Well, having discussed this matter with you before, I'm sure you know where I stand on this matter, and I sympathize. However, perhaps these threats are only a knee-jerk reaction to an admittedly surprising and threatening event. I don't pretend to know, as I lack even my former tyranny over Greece and the Meritocracy to call my own, but perhaps things will die down.
And the ouzo was for you, Comrade \~/
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Post by Moldavi on Jul 20, 2004 6:54:08 GMT -5
How is opening an Embassy here threatening to the ADN?
By their own words they would "crush" New Sparrow and SECO if we became outright enemies.
If they are so sure of themselves how can my actions here be a threat? Makes no sense.
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Post by Antigone Memorial on Jul 20, 2004 6:56:34 GMT -5
If I may speak, my observations of the ADN lead me to believe that they are increasingly using the faintest sniff of an excuse to have a show of might, and that they will also use any excuse to come at the NPO, usually indirectly. It is possible they are thinking that by threatening you, they will deny us an ally.
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Post by Moldavi on Jul 20, 2004 7:04:49 GMT -5
That is a wise observation Antigone Memorial.
What they fail to realize is that my regions, all with active Founders, care little for their threats as they are not subject to invasion.
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Post by Argyres on Jul 20, 2004 7:05:04 GMT -5
By threatening I meant more in a political and psychological manner, as by no means does New Sparrow present a genuine military threat to the ADN's existence (no offense intended, only the Greek military is that powerful ). Seeing as you have long been looked highly upon there, perhaps anger and lashing out is the only way they can react. It seems plausible to me, particularly as they have banded together because of the situation in the North Pacific. I do not pretend to understand why you are doing this, but as a Meritocrat I value regional sovereignty (that in fact is why I dislike invaders, not for moral reasons necessarily, but because they value their own enjoyment and pleasure over the rights of others to enjoy the game as they see fit). With that in mind, I cannot and will not condemn your actions, as others have, though I do not agree with them (for I do not).
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Post by SardaASSK on Jul 20, 2004 7:58:22 GMT -5
Argyres, as Deputy Minister of Foreign Relations, I have more than just a passing interest in such things. I found it disappointing that the general response to RC was so poor. Regardless of his underhanded actions, which I do believe he perpetrated, he is an ambassador and as such should receive some civil treatment.
I don't mean to criticize the Senate, I just meant to say that I think the NPO has so far been above and beyond the calls of diplomatic civility.
And please Argyres, just because I support the NPO doesn't mean:
1) I'm selling out the Senate 2) Taking a stand against the Senate 3) Putting the NPO on a pedastal above the Senate 4) Criticizing the Senate behinds its back because I want support here (I would be an idiot to initiate such a campaign considering there are four active senators here)
I'll reiterate, please Argyres, I support the Senate as much as I ever did, and I've found new support for the NPO because my outlook on NS politics have changed significantly. Though I may not support the ADN, which I'm often persecuted for, I do support the Meritocracy... because, it doesn't always feel the need to take an official stance on everything. It's a UN taking several positive steps farther. That's why I love and support it.
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