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Post by sedarva on Aug 18, 2004 6:41:38 GMT -5
To the senators and the legislative government of the New Pacific Order:
Many of you may not know me. My name is Alan McCormick, Master of the Stables, Lord Admiral of the Navy, and By the Grace of God, Grand Duke of Sedarva and Emperor to her great Empire. I am the leader of a sleepy formerly inactive month old nation called Sedarva. Sedarva and many of the other nations in the Pacific feeding regions have long expressed desire to work in the government of the New Pacific Order but have been turned away by the elite fat cats in this "democratic" government. Having no place to go and no influence to wield, we are forced to try to forge a reputation out of thousands of other nation in the Pacific. Many of us do not even get a fraction of what we want, and the our nations are forced by the watchful eyes of the big brother NPO to stay a lowly and unrecognized nation until most of us are reduced to nations that have nothing else to do but aid in horrible schemes to unseat our delegate, only to be promised that we shall get power and reputation, but to no avail. Instead we watch the powerful senators and diplomats bask in the bounty and the glory of their big time government posts. If this region is so democratic, why dont the smaller nations have a voice? Why can't we also share in power of the senate and the other branches of the government? It is because of this reason that I am hoping that the senate will hear my plea by establishing a legislative body for all nations that will submit resolutions for policy to the senate, giving the senate a more democratic touch to it. It could take place on this forum and would have one senator to be its voice in the senate. The senator would also moderate the part of the forum and make sure all proposals were legitimate. It would be open to all pacific nations and once every two weeks would have a day devoted to voting on the selected issues to send to the senate for further legislation. Please consider my plea.
-The Grand Duke of Sedarva
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 18, 2004 7:01:31 GMT -5
Serdarva one doesn't reach a position of prominance the day you join or after a month you've joined. There are no fat cats here, thanks for the analogy. There are a group of people who have worked damned hard and put up with a ton of abuse from the outside to get to the positions we now hold. I worked my way from the bottom and so can anyone else, it takes time and diligence. Given the amount of spies and terrorists infiltrating here its absurd to think any promotion will be overnight.
We are not Democratic. Neither is any other feeder despite the structure they may have put into place. Ultimately power lies with the Delegate and if they want to go berserk and eject everyone they can because the game says they can. You have a voice here, it will be regarded more and more with respect by the amount of effort and work you do. There is nothing fairer than that.
Reforms are coming which will allow easier access for newer nations to have their voice heard. We are looking at all manner of things currently but I assure you the central tenets of the Revolution will not change Strength, Peace and Prosperity. What that means is there will be stability here, no mob rule for brand recognition. The Pacific is strong because the NPO instilled order.
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 18, 2004 7:35:09 GMT -5
Sederva, you seem to suggest that the NPO paints itself as democratic... it does not. The stability that holds sway here is a result of the great service and loyalty of our Senate... calling them fat cats, by the way, will not improve your case.
And, if you've been inactive for the month of your existence, how is it you've come to A) have your dreams of NPO government service dashed, especially since you've only been a forum member for a day, so... presumably one of our Senators has spoken to you? B) participate in subversion against Francos, Posk, AND Unlimited? C) All in all, have these amazing heart wrenching experiences over the nearly inactive month of your existence?
You storm in as if you've thought up some maddeningly brilliant idea, when in fact the system is known to most people. The NPO has established itself, and brought the Pacific prosperity beyond what anyone else could have. To come in here and make such an outrageous post after only a handfuld of hours of membership on the forums, is insane.
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Post by Pierconium on Aug 18, 2004 8:00:22 GMT -5
Your comments swerve dangerously close to being in violation of several of our Civil Codes.
As a new nation in The Pacific, eager to jump in and help out, some of your misgivings can be overlooked, but please maintain the proper respect due the leadership of the NPO.
Thank you.
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Post by sedarva on Aug 18, 2004 8:17:39 GMT -5
In answer to Black Adder: I must admit I was incorrect in calling this place democratic. It is truly NOT a democracy. But if you worked your way up to the top, you should know how hard it is to get into the government. However you make laws and devise a government that is run by the politically elite, making it virtually impossible to have your voice heard seriously in the senate. If you ask me, I say that you powerful political figures are afraid of a change in leadership. Now that you have worked your way to the top, you want to keep it that way. Let me ask you this, When you finally became a very powerful figure in the Pacific, you were happy, correct? You thought that you had accomplished something. You want to keep your position, correct? So you and the new powerful politicians devised a "wonderful new government", making sure that you would never lose your position. Let's say you were a small new nation now, it wouldn't be so easy to go to the top with this New Order, now would it? You'd have to find ways to oust almost every chief politician, which is pretty hard when you are new. Sure, you rose to the top when you were a new nation, but that was BEFORE the NPO! So it was easier. The people were not united. You could rise rather quickly in the old pacific region. But now it is almost impossible to rise into the top ranks of the NPO. Why don't you consider that for a moment: You are telling me that you had to work very hard and diligently to get to the top ranks in the NPO. Well let me tell you something, I am working very hard, but nothing is happening because your government has no open slots for me to fill, and the people I have befriended have no power in the pacifics. Did you have to know powerful people when you were new? I'll leave it at that.
Also: what kind of reforms? To SardaASSK: First of all: Sorry about the fat cats thing. I was kinda caught up in the moment. A) I have other nations who have been spawned in the Pacific, I tried to get them involved but then decided to go into a different region after many failures and turnaways. B) Afterwards, I joined a raiding organization with my old nation and started to help plan a raid on the pacifics. Also, I am connected with 3 or 4 nations who have expressed their disagreement with Francos to me. C) My experiences occured before sedarva was formed, when I had my ex-nation (czechracnida) still up and running. Furthermore: I've looked at the forums for over 2 months and have been on spy missions for certain raiding organizations while with my old nation. Also, how would you know what other people could do if they were in charge of the pacific and not the NPO? I am positive that a new government form could've been devisd by any one of the nations in the Pacific. All I am saying is that the average nation needs to have a bigger voice in the NPO government
*Update: I have just read the code and it further backs up my opinion, how on earth is one to be in the government without free speech or some kind of different view from its own government. The NPO is only prosperous for its leaders, forget the small nations! Only the elite, is what the code is really saying. Good Day!
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Sir Paul
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Post by Sir Paul on Aug 18, 2004 8:43:22 GMT -5
Ummm...Black Adder did NOT rise to the top before the NPO. He was appointed about 2 weeks ago. If you would look at our history, we appoint a new senator about once every 3 months.
Ask yourself: Did you ever apply for a governorship? Or Legionaire status? Warrior Thorin and Pierconium got their starts there, and now they are the District Attorney and High Judge respectively.
Also, if you have bothered to read our forums, you would notice that all someone has to do is DO, and they are granted status. What service have you done for the NPO? How many telegrams have you sent? How many nations have you rallied? How many post have you made, that didn't invovle asking for a position or blasting our government?
Speaking of which, you do have free speech. We haven't ejected you, and we haven't deleted your posts, or asked you to leave. We only ask that you keep it civil and constructive. Our government is in flux right now, and several nations who have no office have had input into the new systems. You claim you have no voice...Do you bother to speak?
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Post by sedarva on Aug 18, 2004 8:59:46 GMT -5
Number one: applying/asking I have done (see the posts) Also by the way: 4 telegrams, no nations yet, because they're not online at this moment. Number Two: How can I be of service if no one will give me something to do for the NPO?
Number Three: Look at your code: There is no possible way to disagree with the government. Sure you haven't ejected me yet, because that would fall right into what I am saying: You can't disagree b/c of the code or you'll be ejected. By not ejecting me it creates the illusion that everyone can do this, which everyone could not because if you didnt eject the disagreeers, you'd be violating your own code. So technically, you are violating your own code by not ejecting me. Also, Unlimited has explained to me that you only use the code in wartime, so why dont you say that. -Sedarva
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Post by Black Adder on Aug 18, 2004 9:21:47 GMT -5
The power structure is not cemented nor has it ever been. I usurped no one and have no fear of anyone usurping me. When you join an army you don't come in at General nor do the vast majority ever attain that rank. If you're worthy of it you earn it.
Its come to my attention Governor SardaASSK has a position for you to assist with the running of that Province. I suggest if you wish to continue here you take it.
Given the nature of your comments it seems to me you are looking to start a fight here. We've given you options now pursue them or leave. Simple as that. You can shrill all you wish about the select few running affairs here but you will find the same hurdles elsewhere. Its really up to you, work with us or leave. End of discussion.
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Post by sedarva on Aug 18, 2004 9:45:01 GMT -5
Sure I'll take it. When can I start?
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 18, 2004 9:53:32 GMT -5
Should you accept it, I am pleased to offer you the post of District Attorney for Province T, Tantus Pacificus. It shall be your responsibility to prosecute civil code violators from Tantus Pacificus.
For now, I would suggest familiarizing yourself with the Civil Code, and some of the larger threads in the High Court board. Since our justice system and civil code will be changing dramatically soon, you will not likely have many opportunities to exercise your post before then, but you should familiarize yourself with our current systems and procedures none the less.
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Post by sedarva on Aug 18, 2004 10:11:58 GMT -5
Right, by the way, the first part about the code, the strict wartime code, that is inactive, correct?
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Post by SardaASSK on Aug 18, 2004 10:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by Warrior Thorin on Aug 18, 2004 11:01:43 GMT -5
Sedarva, It is also a worthwhile endeavor to show your interest in the involvement in the NPO by attaining the rank of legion. You may do this by reporting violators of Code 1008 and posting on this thread: newpacificorder.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=court&action=display&thread=1070925307I am a Centurion today because I reported numerous violators. I also report them to the NS mods (much to my detrimate at times as the mods deleted many before they could be confirmed). I think this is great way to serve the Pacific and NS in general. Plus, it looks cool to have the title Centurion
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Post by Sir Paul on Aug 18, 2004 11:04:46 GMT -5
Under current statues, during Peacetime, the following codes are enforced. ------------- 1002: Insulting or spreading calumny about a member of the Government in public or in telegram.
1003: Frequent posts of an inappropriate subject.
1004: Excessively poor grammar.
1005: Harassment of a fellow Pacifican either in public or by telegram.
1007: Unauthorized use of another nation's flag or other details as your own.
1008: Objectionable nation name, flag, or motto.
2003: I told you before, I don't like Spam
0002: Being a puppet of a banned nation.
0004: Belonging to a subversive organization.
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Post by sedarva on Aug 18, 2004 11:22:31 GMT -5
Righto. I'll keep that in mind Warrior Thorin. And thanks Sir Paul.
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