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Post by Black Adder on Mar 21, 2004 0:21:31 GMT -5
An observation really. Don't everyone get your knickers in a bunch because its not a damning accusation of ANYTHING. I find it amusing the "Military" Commander of the SP can't find any counterpart to speak to here since there is none.
Does anyone else see the incredible Irony? The NPO has been reviled as an oppressive regime keeping the populace under its boot. We are imagined as wandering about the streets with Kalishnikovs dragging people out at random shooting them to instill an atmosphere of fear. We are envisioned as being like the Orcs of Mordor being held until Comrade Franco wishes to unleash his wrath on NS at large and the reality is there's nothing here. No organization waiting to spread revolution, no chafing Invading Armies. Nothing.
We are an organization which maintains it security and very existance through co operation and mutual respect. We are happy to be left alone to follow our destiny. We have no Army to push our agenda. We have no alliances to further our political views on others.
I see other regions openly hostile to us which cloak themselves in the respectability of Democracy and Constitutions which guarantee a small select group maintains power. I see them organize "troops" to protect themselves and they rush to alliance themselves with others. They think nothing of dispatching those "troops" to other areas to further their ideals. In the end who is the more aggressive and oppressive?
Again SP don't get your knickers in a bunch. Plenty of other regions which fit the bill. NP, WP, anyone in the ADN fits comfortably in that synopsis. Even the Meritcracy was allied with the Atlantic Alliance. No one gets to claim a moral high ground in this game. Wonder when everyone realizes that and tries to get along?
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Post by Military Force on Mar 22, 2004 12:08:45 GMT -5
An observation really. Don't everyone get your knickers in a bunch because its not a damning accusation of ANYTHING. I find it amusing the "Military" Commander of the SP can't find any counterpart to speak to here since there is none. Does anyone else see the incredible Irony? The NPO has been reviled as an oppressive regime keeping the populace under its boot. We are imagined as wandering about the streets with Kalishnikovs dragging people out at random shooting them to instill an atmosphere of fear. We are envisioned as being like the Orcs of Mordor being held until Comrade Franco wishes to unleash his wrath on NS at large and the reality is there's nothing here. No organization waiting to spread revolution, no chafing Invading Armies. Nothing. We are an organization which maintains it security and very existance through co operation and mutual respect. We are happy to be left alone to follow our destiny. We have no Army to push our agenda. We have no alliances to further our political views on others. I see other regions openly hostile to us which cloak themselves in the respectability of Democracy and Constitutions which guarantee a small select group maintains power. I see them organize "troops" to protect themselves and they rush to alliance themselves with others. They think nothing of dispatching those "troops" to other areas to further their ideals. In the end who is the more aggressive and oppressive? Again SP don't get your knickers in a bunch. Plenty of other regions which fit the bill. NP, WP, anyone in the ADN fits comfortably in that synopsis. Even the Meritcracy was allied with the Atlantic Alliance. No one gets to claim a moral high ground in this game. Wonder when everyone realizes that and tries to get along? I find it amusing that you would rather make trouble than try to work out a peace Oh and thanks but no thanks Posk.
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 22, 2004 13:01:14 GMT -5
My point plays itself out. Thank you. Any trouble is caused by your own reluctance to face the inherent discrepancies in your own philosophy.
Your attitude towards Comrade Poskyrebshev belies a certain inability to communicate on a diplomatic level. Perhaps the SP should nominate a diplomatic corps who can speak civilly. Or is your communicative ability limited to Cybering suggestively with the fair maidens of the SP? In any event poor show. You play at soldier yet do not speak as one. Shame.
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Post by Military Force on Mar 22, 2004 13:11:10 GMT -5
I apologise for whatever it is that i've done. And if you have no other objections to me, my actions, or my position, can we please move on?
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 22, 2004 13:18:13 GMT -5
Of course.
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Post by Poskrebyshev on Mar 23, 2004 0:43:24 GMT -5
I agree with you entirely Mr. Black Adder.
I still obviously have an objection to one of your actions Military Force.
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Post by Wabu-Dhati on Mar 23, 2004 4:07:14 GMT -5
I must remark, with your permission Honored Poskyrebshev, that this whole mess is most unusual. Perhaps the Pacific might get more done if we, that is to say the NPO, sent one of its own to the SP forum, and made contact with their leadership?
Mr. Blackadder, perhaps you have a better suggestion? A 'cunning plan', one that would perhaps make a bridge between differing viewpoints?
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 23, 2004 10:48:37 GMT -5
Simply put, Military Force must outlay precisely what the mission is he is charged with. Is this one of negotiating a cease fire between our factions? If so we are not engaged in any activity overt or otherwise therefore the mission is completed. Is this to streamline our military organizations in their respective aims? If so this is again moot since we are not organized to further our aims through force. Is this to form a compact to defend each others interests? If so we have no standing 'army'. To achieve such an aim would be the job of the Senate to undertake the raising of such a unit presently.
I am at present waiting on Military Force to clarify. Given our schedules it is difficult to expedite any communication quickly without itemized aims. I'm sure the representative from the SP will do so now we are at the table.
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Post by Military Force on Mar 23, 2004 11:31:50 GMT -5
I agree with you entirely Mr. Black Adder. I still obviously have an objection to one of your actions Military Force. You have my deepest apologies. To address my serpentine friend. Our conversation is over.
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 23, 2004 11:40:54 GMT -5
Then you sir will be waiting for some time if there is no set objectives. Time in the NPO is most sparing.
I can understand a reluctance to negotiate publicly if it is of a sensitive nature. Expecting immediate results from a Senator with limited time when being presented with an unclear objective may be construed as unrealistic.
If you want movement I suggest you outlay precisely what it is you expect to achieve with the Senate. I expect that would alleviate the confusion and go a long way to achieving your stated aim. Best of luck.
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 23, 2004 14:35:04 GMT -5
Then maybe I should step in and see if this will help to make things a little clearer for everyone.
This post will be in the capicity of the Delegate of the South Pacific.
I think, what Military Force was trying to do, he can correct me if I am wrong, is to put an end to the hostilities between our Regions.
Not a treaty or Allicance sort of thing, but more of a peaceful end to the feuding that has been happening.
Sort of a Hatfield and McCoy sit down to dinner thing without the guns being present.
I personally will welcome anyone to the SP Boards that wants to be there, from your Government.
Other than that, all I have to say is that sometimes when you are nervous things are said, or done that can cause confusion, I hope that this will put an end to that confusion.
Respectfully, The Queen of LadyRebels Delegate of the South Pacific By the Grace of the South Pacific Nations
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Post by Black Adder on Mar 23, 2004 15:15:04 GMT -5
I see. This makes things far clearer. If I may explain a bit further perhaps you can understand our processes a bit better. Please indulge me.
The NPO tends to be very factual and orderly. We don't often proceed without clear objectives. Without a set objective we would be somewhat unclear what was really sought after. A request to bury the hatchet would be most likely met with what hatchet? We are not actively seeking to conquer so the feelers would be for the most part incomprehensible.
For a representative who has the authority of a regional military behind them to come here and make such overtures would be met with some wariness and confusion. Understand Delegate LadyRebels we have withstood the storm of hatred alone without friends from the rest of NS. We are not overly friendly because we haven't received the same kindness elsewhere. Personally in my travels I am subjected to namecalling and all manner of insult for being a member of the NPO. It is unjustified as I am not an agent of unrest, I am not a stormcrow. Other members feel the same in their endeavours.
Given the SP has made the step of trying to offer a palm frond it would be disingenuous to refuse. In the same sense do not be surprised that we aren't clambering over one another to make friends. It will be some time before the two sides come to the required respect and understanding. In the meantime patience is required from both our regions in this attempt. I for one am glad. I hope this may move forward and bear fruit which enriches all of us. If I may be so bold, I am happy to see you again. Thank you for the respect you have shown in our halls.
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 24, 2004 1:15:33 GMT -5
Black Adder, it is good to see you as well.
I did not intend to step up like I did, but I felt that something needed to be done to protect the strives that we are making.
As to not tripping over each other, I can honestly say that I did except a much harder time than I have gotten, and I thank the ones that have spoken to me.
I still hear about my move to come here and see things for myself, and I always tell them that it is me, like it or not I will do what I want to do.
I do have respect for the people on these boards, and for Francos Spain as well, as I have said many times there are things that I do not like about how things are done here, but then on the same token the same can be said about how things are done in the SP.
It is those differences that I am looking at and learning about. That and the sameness that we have. Because as much as people hate to admit to it, there are many of the same things in all the Regions as there is in the NPO.
Thank you to everyone once again for understanding and letting me stay here among you, without having my skin nailed to the wall first.
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Post by Wabu-Dhati on Mar 24, 2004 3:57:04 GMT -5
Would I be presumptuous if I suggested that Mr. Blackadder himself join the SP's forums? He is, almost certainly, the finest man for the job.
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Post by LadyRebels on Mar 24, 2004 10:23:03 GMT -5
He is a member of the SP Boards, and his access has never been denied to him.
That is up to him if he wants to go back or not.
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