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Post by Tar A on Nov 10, 2003 0:03:57 GMT -5
Cambodia, I'm sorry, I fully support Franco and all, but no one - NO ONE - can call Franco's policies democratic. That argument can be shot down faster than you can say "eject me."
On the other hand, he's never cheated. Only his opponents have done that. (Hello? 125 UN nations? That is the biggest instance of cheating I've ever heard of. Oh, and exploiting glitches in the game? Constantly having UN multi-ejections? Come on...)
I don't support Franco because he has democratic policies. I support him because he makes the Pacific great, doesn't interfere in the sovereignty of individual nations, brings the best stability possible to such an anarchic region, AND repels any and all invasions.
The PA's campaign is indeed spam, flames, and "black propaganda." Franco does his best to protect his people from this, and so we, the true nations of the Pacific, support him.
(But he ain't democratic. Be honest.)
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Post by Abysseria on Nov 10, 2003 8:48:52 GMT -5
Cambodia, I'm sorry, I fully support Franco and all, but no one - NO ONE - can call Franco's policies democratic. That argument can be shot down faster than you can say "eject me." On the other hand, he's never cheated. Only his opponents have done that. (Hello? 125 UN nations? That is the biggest instance of cheating I've ever heard of. Oh, and exploiting glitches in the game? Constantly having UN multi-ejections? Come on...) I don't support Franco because he has democratic policies. I support him because he makes the Pacific great, doesn't interfere in the sovereignty of individual nations, brings the best stability possible to such an anarchic region, AND repels any and all invasions. The PA's campaign is indeed spam, flames, and "black propaganda." Franco does his best to protect his people from this, and so we, the true nations of the Pacific, support him. (But he ain't democratic. Be honest.) Abysseria has said, and always does, that its our nation's sovreignty that most concerns us, and Francos has always supported us in that way. And, in return, we support him.
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Post by Francos Spain on Nov 10, 2003 10:02:28 GMT -5
The policies of the NPO are only undemocratic insofar as we do not permit the mindless endorsement trading that would give rise to an invading nation usurping the delegacy. Outside of that, our rule is quite democratic. The original intent in NationStates of having a UN delegate was to give a more powerful vote in the UN, and thus for the delegate to cast his vote on resolutions to reflect the common sentiment of his region; this is something I have never failed to do. I also try to take note of other suggestions and wishes nations in the Pacific have, and enact them when possible.
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Post by Geomania on Nov 10, 2003 10:39:52 GMT -5
Alright, I'll give it to you, Francos, that the Pacific is very stable, and there have been a lot of dumbasses on our side who've decided to create an infinite amount of UN nations thinking that they are going to take you down. But you've limited the voice of the pacific to yourself, your cronies, and people who suck up to you 24/7 (I'm sorry, but it's true) and everyone else is tossed to the curb. If you really want a democracy, then you will let the people of the Pacific exercise their first amendment rights and speak about anything they want to.
And lesser cambodia, you used to be Savage Lands' right-hand man, but now you've deserted him, eh?
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Post by Tar A on Nov 10, 2003 12:30:27 GMT -5
Francos, I won't argue with you. You're probably right anyway. [edit] Doing a little research into the matter, I've changed my mind. Somewhere in the mess of posts during your rise to the delegacy you commented on how the high civil rights and low political rights in NS nations don't categorize them as dictatorships... I have a great deal of respect for your democracy and will continue to as long as you remain in the game. [/edit] Geomania, it just shows that Cambodia knows how to get on the winning side in the end... eh? And, um, as for free speech, it isn't hard to go the HQ and type some words in the little box down there You'll notice I'm not much afraid of exercising that right... hey I even called Franco undemocratic. Come on, stop your campaign against him. It will do you little good and him no harm. It's merely annoying.
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Post by Abysseria on Nov 10, 2003 14:18:02 GMT -5
Alright, I'll give it to you, Francos, that the Pacific is very stable, and there have been a lot of dumbasses on our side who've decided to create an infinite amount of UN nations thinking that they are going to take you down. But you've limited the voice of the pacific to yourself, your cronies, and people who suck up to you 24/7 (I'm sorry, but it's true) and everyone else is tossed to the curb. If you really want a democracy, then you will let the people of the Pacific exercise their first amendment rights and speak about anything they want to. And lesser cambodia, you used to be Savage Lands' right-hand man, but now you've deserted him, eh? What I take offense to (and this is not a great offense at all!) is that everyone has to attack those of us that support Francos. Get a grip. We support Francos and we like him because he lets us play the game. The Pacific is one of the least childish regions in the game because we don't have to put up with all the silliness other regions do. On top of that, the only people that get booted are those that whine whine whine. If you play the game responsibly, as TarA and I do, there's not a problem, no matter what you say.
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Post by Geomania on Nov 10, 2003 22:38:22 GMT -5
And, um, as for free speech, it isn't hard to go the HQ and type some words in the little box down there You'll notice I'm not much afraid of exercising that right... hey I even called Franco undemocratic. Yeah but when you say something against Franco, at the HQ, you'll wake up in the morning with Kandarin in the RR. I'm really surprised that you guys have let my posts go unedited or not delete them. Maybe it's because of this triumph day has put you guys in good moods, but whatever
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Post by BertramStantrous on Nov 10, 2003 23:45:29 GMT -5
Yes, well, I'm afraid that our enemies have crossed the line, and have gone from "freedom of speech" to "freedom of abuse." People who voice complaints are one thing, but people who threaten us, make nasty jokes about us, and plague us with spam are not tolerated. If we did the same thing to you that you do to us (which is starting to sound more and more like a good idea), I'm sure you would be banning us and complaining to the mods just as much as us (probably more, actually).
If fact, some of our friends in regions like the North Pacific and the Pacific Army seem to have adopted a new policy, which is to move into the region, post an EXTREMELY inflammatory message, and hope to get banned. I guess that their hopes are that their other nations will get pushed off the ban list, but I don't see how that will help them any (sacfificing one nation for another? As if the nation being taken off the ban list is capable of doing anything the other nation wasn't?) If this is what you have resorted to, then I feel sorry for you.
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Post by Abysseria on Nov 11, 2003 9:18:12 GMT -5
Yeah but when you say something against Franco, at the HQ, you'll wake up in the morning with Kandarin in the RR. I'm really surprised that you guys have let my posts go unedited or not delete them. Maybe it's because of this triumph day has put you guys in good moods, but whatever It's not a matter of good moods, it's a matter of respect. When you disrespect and abuse and spam and make the game a pain to play, you go. It's that simple.
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Post by Tar A on Nov 11, 2003 13:19:20 GMT -5
If we did the same thing to you that you do to us (which is starting to sound more and more like a good idea) I volunteer for the job! It sounds like fun. We could see how they like a taste of their own medicine.
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Post by Abysseria on Nov 11, 2003 14:12:05 GMT -5
I volunteer for the job! It sounds like fun. We could see how they like a taste of their own medicine. If that's the way we decide to go, you can count on me too.
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Post by Mars Sara on Nov 11, 2003 15:31:14 GMT -5
I said it on the regional boards and I'll say it again: Spam is an underhanded technique and accomplishes nothing, save annoyance. How many people do you honestly think have moved to the side of the Pacific Army based on their spam? Even posting on the regional boards will accomplish very little for us. We'll need to contact nations on an individual basis and gather support nation by nation. The fact is, the nations against Francos don't have logical reasons for being against him, but we have logical reasons for standing with him.
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Post by Abysseria on Nov 11, 2003 16:37:53 GMT -5
I said it on the regional boards and I'll say it again: Spam is an underhanded technique and accomplishes nothing, save annoyance. How many people do you honestly think have moved to the side of the Pacific Army based on their spam? Even posting on the regional boards will accomplish very little for us. We'll need to contact nations on an individual basis and gather support nation by nation. The fact is, the nations against Francos don't have logical reasons for being against him, but we have logical reasons for standing with him. Also good points. I don't mean to be wishy washy on this issue, but I'm trying to think of the best approach....
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Post by Francos Spain on Nov 15, 2003 0:16:08 GMT -5
Well, The Savage Lands has been deleted. Guess now we just wait and see whether it's permanent, or whether he's zombified like me and Inferno.
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Post by Tar A on Nov 15, 2003 0:49:45 GMT -5
A game mod did it Looks like it's permanent. The PA are probably going to collapse.
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